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Subject: [crw-talk] Fwd: Woodturning shop safety
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From rjpatros at icloud.com  Sat Feb 15 08:29:07 2025
From: rjpatros at icloud.com (Robert Patros)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 08:29:07 -0600
Subject: [crw-talk] Safety brought up
Message-ID: <5FEF2131-8936-4C56-A28E-EC662E77B484@icloud.com>

There apparently is going to be a discussion on safety issues today. In thinking about this, what liability does Luther have if there is an injury. Does CRW insurance cover them as well?
Or, am I off track? 

Sent from my iPhone

From aaronagesicki at gmail.com  Sat Feb 15 17:50:39 2025
From: aaronagesicki at gmail.com (Aaron Gesicki)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 17:50:39 -0600
Subject: [crw-talk] Safety brought up
In-Reply-To: <5FEF2131-8936-4C56-A28E-EC662E77B484@icloud.com>
References: <5FEF2131-8936-4C56-A28E-EC662E77B484@icloud.com>
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Don't know. This question hasn't been asked.
We have insurance, and I'm sure Luther does
too. But the devil is always in the details.



Aaron Gesicki

-----Original Message-----
From: crw-talk
<crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> On
Behalf Of Robert Patros
Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 8:29 AM
To: Crw-Talk <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
Subject: [crw-talk] Safety brought up

There apparently is going to be a discussion
on safety issues today. In thinking about
this, what liability does Luther have if
there is an injury. Does CRW insurance cover
them as well?
Or, am I off track? 

Sent from my iPhone
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From rjpatros05 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 15 17:55:37 2025
From: rjpatros05 at gmail.com (Robert Patros)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 17:55:37 -0600
Subject: [crw-talk] Safety brought up
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My understanding is that if an accident does happen and there could be a lawsuit, a lawyer will name anyone and anyplace connected to the incident. Am I wrong? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 15, 2025, at 5:50?PM, Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Don't know. This question hasn't been asked.
> We have insurance, and I'm sure Luther does
> too. But the devil is always in the details.
> 
> 
> 
> Aaron Gesicki
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: crw-talk
> <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> On
> Behalf Of Robert Patros
> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 8:29 AM
> To: Crw-Talk <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
> Subject: [crw-talk] Safety brought up
> 
> There apparently is going to be a discussion
> on safety issues today. In thinking about
> this, what liability does Luther have if
> there is an injury. Does CRW insurance cover
> them as well?
> Or, am I off track?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From griff at mwt.net  Sun Feb 16 10:17:37 2025
From: griff at mwt.net (griff)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 10:17:37 -0600
Subject: [crw-talk] Safety brought up
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 <7E78E57F-A705-4164-95AF-4A9728B6ED9E@gmail.com>
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I know lawyers will go after anybody whom there is even a remote chance 
of getting money out of in the event of some kind of an incident.? And 
then the remotely related person will have to pay a lawyer to defend 
them.? So that's why the late, great Jim Frank in his infinite wisdom 
went to so much effort to get the club covered with insurance way back 
when.? And actually the opposite is true, if you have a case but you 
don't allow your lawyer to name everybody and their brother, the liable 
parties will use that to get themselves out of a lawsuit.? And we 
thought only lions, wolves and boa constrictors were harsh predators.? j

On 2/15/25 5:55 PM, Robert Patros wrote:
> My understanding is that if an accident does happen and there could be a lawsuit, a lawyer will name anyone and anyplace connected to the incident. Am I wrong?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 15, 2025, at 5:50?PM, Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Don't know. This question hasn't been asked.
>> We have insurance, and I'm sure Luther does
>> too. But the devil is always in the details.
>>
>>
>>
>> Aaron Gesicki
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: crw-talk
>> <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> On
>> Behalf Of Robert Patros
>> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 8:29 AM
>> To: Crw-Talk <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
>> Subject: [crw-talk] Safety brought up
>>
>> There apparently is going to be a discussion
>> on safety issues today. In thinking about
>> this, what liability does Luther have if
>> there is an injury. Does CRW insurance cover
>> them as well?
>> Or, am I off track?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> _________________________________________
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>> the whole group, "Reply" goes only to
>> sender.
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>> was sent:
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>>
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From rjpatros at icloud.com  Mon Feb 17 15:36:05 2025
From: rjpatros at icloud.com (Robert Patros)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 15:36:05 -0600
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From raaschb at charter.net  Mon Feb 17 18:25:43 2025
From: raaschb at charter.net (raaschb at charter.net)
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Subject: [crw-talk] Recent Facebook post
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From: raaschb at charter.net (raaschb at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 18:29:00 -0600
Subject: [crw-talk] Safety brought up
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From raaschb at charter.net  Mon Feb 17 19:17:51 2025
From: raaschb at charter.net (raaschb at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 19:17:51 -0600
Subject: [crw-talk] Safety brought up
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From rjpatros at icloud.com  Mon Feb 17 19:21:51 2025
From: rjpatros at icloud.com (Robert Patros)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 19:21:51 -0600
Subject: [crw-talk] Safety brought up
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Ok. My reason for bringing this up wasn?t for the club?s liability. It was to ask if Luther would be liable in case of an incident. Even though the club may be insured, would a potential lawsuit involve Luther?


Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 17, 2025, at 7:18?PM, raaschb at charter.net wrote:
> 
> ?
> In response to Bob P, Aaron & John G.
> 
> Yup, Jim was the creator of the insurance program, many years ago, 2015?
> 
> I wrote the set of documents listed on the website, and designed the web site displayed format in collaboration with Jim. A review of said documents by Tim K was also done.  At that time the insurance process for members was accurate, and the parameters of coverage was accurate.  I am not currently a board member, therefore I don't have any current knowledge if the club continues to pay the  premiums, though I suspect they are,  or if the listed processes are current.
> 
> The prime reason for signing the attendance form, is, or at least in the past was to advantage paid up club members of the insurance, should the need arise. 
> 
> I'm suggesting for the good of the order, a board member should follow up: 
> - communicate to membership as to currency of premiums paid up?
> - communicate to membership if documents listed on website are current, including "claim processes".
> 
> I do believe Tim K is still in the insurance business and may continue to be the servicing agent?
> Also, as I recall, Tim was invited to a club meeting many years ago to present the insurance program paramenters & claim processes. Might recommend another invitation be extended. 
> 
> This insurance web link from the crw web site may help to understand. 
> 
> http://www.crwoodturner.com/insurance/CRW_insurance_info_sheet_2017.html
> 
> The following docs may be of particular help.
> 
>     The document of understanding puts meat on the bones. 
> 
>     See brief directions for concise operational guidelines. 
> 
> -raasch
> 
> Bob R at charter
> 
> On Feb 16, 2025 10:17 AM, griff <griff at mwt.net> wrote:
> I know lawyers will go after anybody whom there is even a remote chance
> of getting money out of in the event of some kind of an incident.  And
> then the remotely related person will have to pay a lawyer to defend
> them.  So that's why the late, great Jim Frank in his infinite wisdom
> went to so much effort to get the club covered with insurance way back
> when.  And actually the opposite is true, if you have a case but you
> don't allow your lawyer to name everybody and their brother, the liable
> parties will use that to get themselves out of a lawsuit.  And we
> thought only lions, wolves and boa constrictors were harsh predators.  j
> 
> On 2/15/25 5:55 PM, Robert Patros wrote:
> > My understanding is that if an accident does happen and there could be a lawsuit, a lawyer will name anyone and anyplace connected to the incident. Am I wrong?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 15, 2025, at 5:50?PM, Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Don't know. This question hasn't been asked.
> >> We have insurance, and I'm sure Luther does
> >> too. But the devil is always in the details.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Aaron Gesicki
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: crw-talk
> >> <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> On
> >> Behalf Of Robert Patros
> >> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 8:29 AM
> >> To: Crw-Talk <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
> >> Subject: [crw-talk] Safety brought up
> >>
> >> There apparently is going to be a discussion
> >> on safety issues today. In thinking about
> >> this, what liability does Luther have if
> >> there is an injury. Does CRW insurance cover
> >> them as well?
> >> Or, am I off track?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> _________________________________________
> >> Use "Reply to All" or "Reply List" to reach
> >> the whole group, "Reply" goes only to
> >> sender.
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> >> was sent:
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> >> rwoodturner.com/
> >>
> >>
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From griff at mwt.net  Tue Feb 18 09:54:38 2025
From: griff at mwt.net (griff)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2025 09:54:38 -0600
Subject: [crw-talk] Safety brought up
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Message-ID: <e1e4aa39-515b-9b5b-f623-1fcaf591c012@mwt.net>

As a board member I would certainly support continuing having adequate 
insurance .? It's really a no brainer.

Kernel of information, we had a demonstrator a decade ago or so who 
brought some very valuable tall hollow forms turned from box elder with 
thin walls.? (If I recall correctly, valued at $1500.00.)? One 
accidentally got knocked over and cracked, the claim was turned into our 
insurance and it was paid.? (After the adjuster tried to weasel out of 
paying.)

John

On 2/17/25 7:17 PM, raaschb at charter.net wrote:
> In response to Bob P, Aaron & John G.
>
> Yup, Jim was the creator of the insurance program, many years ago, 2015?
>
> I wrote the set of documents listed on the website, and designed the 
> web site displayed format in collaboration with Jim. A review of said 
> documents by Tim K was also done.? At that time the insurance process 
> for members was accurate, and the parameters of coverage was 
> accurate.? I am *_not_* currently a board member, therefore I don't 
> have any current knowledge if the club continues to pay the? premiums, 
> though I suspect they are,? or if the listed processes are current.
>
> The prime reason for signing the attendance form, is, or at least in 
> the past was to advantage paid up club members of the insurance, 
> should the need arise.
>
> I'm suggesting for the good of the order, a board member should follow 
> up:
> - communicate to membership as to currency of premiums paid up?
> - communicate to membership if documents listed on website are 
> current, including "claim processes".
>
> I do believe Tim K is still in the insurance business and may continue 
> to be the servicing agent?
> Also, as I recall, Tim was invited to a club meeting many years ago to 
> present the insurance program paramenters & claim processes. Might 
> recommend another invitation be extended.
>
> This insurance web link from the crw web site may help to understand.
>
> http://www.crwoodturner.com/insurance/CRW_insurance_info_sheet_2017.html
>
> The following docs may be of particular help.
>
> ? ? The _document_ /of/ _understanding_ puts meat on the bones.
>
> ? ? See _brief_ _directions_?for concise operational guidelines.
>
> -raasch
>
> Bob R at charter
>
> On Feb 16, 2025 10:17 AM, griff <griff at mwt.net> wrote:
>
>     I know lawyers will go after anybody whom there is even a remote
>     chance
>     of getting money out of in the event of some kind of an incident.?
>     And
>     then the remotely related person will have to pay a lawyer to defend
>     them.? So that's why the late, great Jim Frank in his infinite wisdom
>     went to so much effort to get the club covered with insurance way
>     back
>     when.? And actually the opposite is true, if you have a case but you
>     don't allow your lawyer to name everybody and their brother, the
>     liable
>     parties will use that to get themselves out of a lawsuit.? And we
>     thought only lions, wolves and boa constrictors were harsh
>     predators.? j
>
>     On 2/15/25 5:55 PM, Robert Patros wrote:
>     > My understanding is that if an accident does happen and there
>     could be a lawsuit, a lawyer will name anyone and anyplace
>     connected to the incident. Am I wrong?
>     >
>     > Sent from my iPhone
>     >
>     >> On Feb 15, 2025, at 5:50?PM, Aaron Gesicki
>     <aaronagesicki at gmail.com> wrote:
>     >>
>     >> ?Don't know. This question hasn't been asked.
>     >> We have insurance, and I'm sure Luther does
>     >> too. But the devil is always in the details.
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> Aaron Gesicki
>     >>
>     >> -----Original Message-----
>     >> From: crw-talk
>     >> <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> On
>     >> Behalf Of Robert Patros
>     >> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 8:29 AM
>     >> To: Crw-Talk <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
>     >> Subject: [crw-talk] Safety brought up
>     >>
>     >> There apparently is going to be a discussion
>     >> on safety issues today. In thinking about
>     >> this, what liability does Luther have if
>     >> there is an injury. Does CRW insurance cover
>     >> them as well?
>     >> Or, am I off track?
>     >>
>     >> Sent from my iPhone
>     >> _________________________________________
>     >> Use "Reply to All" or "Reply List" to reach
>     >> the whole group, "Reply" goes only to
>     >> sender.
>     >> ______
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>     >> was sent:
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>     >> rwoodturner.com/
>     >>
>     >>
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From raaschb at charter.net  Wed Feb 19 23:07:35 2025
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 23:07:35 -0600
Subject: [crw-talk] Safety brought up
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From griff at mwt.net  Thu Feb 20 10:51:28 2025
From: griff at mwt.net (griff)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 10:51:28 -0600
Subject: [crw-talk] Safety brought up
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Regarding Bob's comment on the payout. the adjuster wanted us to go 
after the home owner's insurance of the person who caused the accident. 
I don't recall who in the club, maybe Jim Frank, contacted the agent who 
handles our policy and he made sure the club's insurance paid up.? I 
think it happened when Phil as president so that was a while ago.

Steve Sinner does wonderful work.? Hollowforms mainly, he finished with 
Minwax Helmsmen finish which is a poly that is somewhat light fast so 
the color of the wood is better preserved, although if I recall it 
darkens a bit more than some finishes.? He has made his finishing 
process into a science that he follows in great detail.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it, j

On 2/19/25 11:07 PM, raaschb at charter.net wrote:
> I remember the accident/ incident. Demo guy was Lyndall Anthony.? 
> Don't recall the reluctant payout.
> Lyndall does nice work, maybe a protege of Steve Sinner.
>
> Would suggest Steve be invited 2026 to do "live" club demo, maybe 9-2 
> to allow for more depth. Will prob need? overnight lodging fee & mileage?
> Steve specializes as I recall in hollow vessel form & coloring & 
> embellishing -gorgeous pieces. His attention to detail is tops!
> Check out his turned works in St Paul & company booth- Advanced Lathe 
> Tools.
> He's from quad cities area, down the river.
> Check out his bio
> https://advancedlathetools.com/
>
>
>
> Bob R at charter
>
> On Feb 18, 2025 9:54 AM, griff <griff at mwt.net> wrote:
>
>     As a board member I would certainly support continuing having
>     adequate insurance .? It's really a no brainer.
>
>     Kernel of information, we had a demonstrator a decade ago or so
>     who brought some very valuable tall hollow forms turned from box
>     elder with thin walls. (If I recall correctly, valued at
>     $1500.00.)? One accidentally got knocked over and cracked, the
>     claim was turned into our insurance and it was paid. (After the
>     adjuster tried to weasel out of paying.)
>
>     John
>
>     On 2/17/25 7:17 PM, raaschb at charter.net
>     <mailto:raaschb at charter.net> wrote:
>
>         In response to Bob P, Aaron & John G.
>
>         Yup, Jim was the creator of the insurance program, many years
>         ago, 2015?
>
>         I wrote the set of documents listed on the website, and
>         designed the web site displayed format in collaboration with
>         Jim. A review of said documents by Tim K was also done.? At
>         that time the insurance process for members was accurate, and
>         the parameters of coverage was accurate.? I am *_not_*
>         currently a board member, therefore I don't have any current
>         knowledge if the club continues to pay the? premiums, though I
>         suspect they are, or if the listed processes are current.
>
>         The prime reason for signing the attendance form, is, or at
>         least in the past was to advantage paid up club members of the
>         insurance, should the need arise.
>
>         I'm suggesting for the good of the order, a board member
>         should follow up:
>         - communicate to membership as to currency of premiums paid up?
>         - communicate to membership if documents listed on website are
>         current, including "claim processes".
>
>         I do believe Tim K is still in the insurance business and may
>         continue to be the servicing agent?
>         Also, as I recall, Tim was invited to a club meeting many
>         years ago to present the insurance program paramenters & claim
>         processes. Might recommend another invitation be extended.
>
>         This insurance web link from the crw web site may help to
>         understand.
>
>         http://www.crwoodturner.com/insurance/CRW_insurance_info_sheet_2017.html
>         <http://www.crwoodturner.com/insurance/CRW_insurance_info_sheet_2017.html>
>
>         The following docs may be of particular help.
>
>         ? ? The _document_ /of/ _understanding_ puts meat on the bones.
>
>         ? ? See _brief_ _directions_?for concise operational guidelines.
>
>         -raasch
>
>         Bob R at charter
>
>         On Feb 16, 2025 10:17 AM, griff <griff at mwt.net>
>         <mailto:griff at mwt.net> wrote:
>
>             I know lawyers will go after anybody whom there is even a
>             remote chance
>             of getting money out of in the event of some kind of an
>             incident.? And
>             then the remotely related person will have to pay a lawyer
>             to defend
>             them.? So that's why the late, great Jim Frank in his
>             infinite wisdom
>             went to so much effort to get the club covered with
>             insurance way back
>             when.? And actually the opposite is true, if you have a
>             case but you
>             don't allow your lawyer to name everybody and their
>             brother, the liable
>             parties will use that to get themselves out of a lawsuit.?
>             And we
>             thought only lions, wolves and boa constrictors were harsh
>             predators.? j
>
>             On 2/15/25 5:55 PM, Robert Patros wrote:
>             > My understanding is that if an accident does happen and
>             there could be a lawsuit, a lawyer will name anyone and
>             anyplace connected to the incident. Am I wrong?
>             >
>             > Sent from my iPhone
>             >
>             >> On Feb 15, 2025, at 5:50?PM, Aaron Gesicki
>             <aaronagesicki at gmail.com> <mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com>
>             wrote:
>             >>
>             >> ?Don't know. This question hasn't been asked.
>             >> We have insurance, and I'm sure Luther does
>             >> too. But the devil is always in the details.
>             >>
>             >>
>             >>
>             >> Aaron Gesicki
>             >>
>             >> -----Original Message-----
>             >> From: crw-talk
>             >> <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com>
>             <mailto:crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> On
>             >> Behalf Of Robert Patros
>             >> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 8:29 AM
>             >> To: Crw-Talk <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
>             <mailto:crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
>             >> Subject: [crw-talk] Safety brought up
>             >>
>             >> There apparently is going to be a discussion
>             >> on safety issues today. In thinking about
>             >> this, what liability does Luther have if
>             >> there is an injury. Does CRW insurance cover
>             >> them as well?
>             >> Or, am I off track?
>             >>
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From marine9096 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 20 13:05:36 2025
From: marine9096 at gmail.com (James Bloomer)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2025 13:05:36 -0600
Subject: [crw-talk] Safety brought up
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The agreement that was discussed with school administration was that if
it's a school sponsored event that we are involved with (The Pen Bee for
example, or one of us teaching) it's would be under their umbrella for
insurance. If it's a Club sponsored event ( meeting, demo, hands on class)
it would fall under ours. I would think anything that would fall under the
grey area the adjusters from ours probably would chat with their insurance
and an accord would be struck.
We definitely tried to make sure any and all safety items were at least
discussed prior to the move.

In Service

James A. Bloomer


On Sat, Feb 15, 2025, 17:50 Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com> wrote:

> Don't know. This question hasn't been asked.
> We have insurance, and I'm sure Luther does
> too. But the devil is always in the details.
>
>
>
> Aaron Gesicki
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: crw-talk
> <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> On
> Behalf Of Robert Patros
> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2025 8:29 AM
> To: Crw-Talk <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
> Subject: [crw-talk] Safety brought up
>
> There apparently is going to be a discussion
> on safety issues today. In thinking about
> this, what liability does Luther have if
> there is an injury. Does CRW insurance cover
> them as well?
> Or, am I off track?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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