[crw-talk] Bylaws and Officers nominations
griff
griff at mwt.net
Sun Sep 17 08:57:23 CDT 2023
I agree with Dan fully. It is essential and not too much to ask for the
top five officers in CRW (President down to Program director) to be AAW
members. John
On 9/15/23 4:58 PM, Jennifer & Dan Wilson wrote:
>
> To any Member of CRW:
>
> If you have a link to our bylaws, please send it to me via
> email—jdwilson at acegroup.cc <mailto:email—jdwilson at acegroup.cc>. I am
> no longer familiar with the bylaws and would like to have an
> opportunity to review the document before being asked to vote on any
> amendments.
>
> At this point, I am concerned that we might be giving up valuable
> benefits afforded by our club’s membership in the AAW, including but
> not limited to liability insurance, simply because we elect officers
> who are not members of AAW. It seems someone who is willing to serve
> as an officer should also be willing to maintain their own membership
> in the AAW to help insure the benefits to the members of our club.
>
> Dan Wilson
>
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> *From: *Aaron Gesicki <mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com>
> *Sent: *Friday, September 15, 2023 12:36 PM
> *To: *Aaron Gesicki <mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com>
> *Subject: *FW: [crw-talk] Bylaws and Officers nominations
>
> **
>
> *I am forwarding this to all that are on my mailing list – members and
> nonmembers. Relying on CRW Talk is insufficient, for whatever reason –
> it is not up to date and seems only partially functional. *
>
> **
>
> *Please read through what Bob Raasch has detailed. It shows that – as
> an organized group, with physical and financial assets – we are
> currently lacking organizational skills and in some cases shirking
> responsibilities. *
>
> **
>
> *My intent here is not to chastise or belittle anyone. I believe we
> all want this group to succeed and even grow. We want to be active and
> properly organized, thus we need the officers to step up, sort this
> out, and then inform the membership on findings, status, and
> recommendations. *
>
> **
>
> *If anyone needs perspective, a few of us can speak to what was done
> in the past, both recent, as Bob has described, and way back when, per
> Duane Hill and a few others. *
>
> **
>
> *See y’all tomorrow.*
>
> **
>
> *Aaron Gesicki*
>
> **
>
> *From:* raaschb at charter.net <raaschb at charter.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 14, 2023 10:12 PM
> *To:* 'Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region
> Woodturners.' <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
> *Cc:* bobraasch2 at gmail.com; raaschb at charter.net; Aaron Gesicki
> <aaronagesicki at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* RE: [crw-talk] ByLaws and Officers nominations
>
> Hello All,
>
> Further review of ByLaws-Officers and Insurance.
>
> If any person has access to ANY minutes that show when the PROPOSED
> ByLaws were indeed passed by members, please allow those to be seen. I
> can find no such information of acceptance, although I suspect
> approval was granted?
>
> In reviewing the CRW Club’s Insurance page,
> http://www.crwoodturner.com/insurance/CRW_insurance_info_sheet_2017.html
> <http://www.crwoodturner.com/insurance/CRW_insurance_info_sheet_2017.html>
>
> it doe DOES NOT appear the *club insurance* program is tied to
> officers being members of the AAW. This program was well thought out
> by Jim Frank in 2015 and updated in 2017 with the help of Tim Kakuska,
> Vice President of Robertson Ryan & Associates, LaCrosse, WI.
>
> If the website is accurate and up to date to which I cannot verify,
> then our insurance has liability and accident insurance clauses with 2
> different insurance companies. Accident insurance policy thru Gerber
> Life Insurance Company and Commercial General Liability Coverage
> through The Cincinnati Insurance Company. I believe the club’s
> insurance programs stands separate from the AAW plans that may be offered.
>
> Therefore, if the club desires, the Proposed ByLaws could be amended
> to *_remove_* the _requirements_ that the 4 main officer position
> holders hold membership in the AAW. The AAW does not require club
> officers to be AAW members, although highly recommended. AAW
> membership does offer many positive benefits however to which I
> wholeheartedly endorse and hold membership.
>
> However, I suggest a change to my previous days email in that if the
> CRW membership_insists_ on AAW membership for board members, then the
> club may offer an incentive to those interested in SERVING as an
> officer. The incentive could come from the club Treasury which
> _offers_ to pay the membership rate for 1 year only for a digital
> membership at $56.00 US for each officer. The full membership includes
> digital and paper copy of the journal, currently at $68.00 US. This
> incentive _would incur a debit_ from the Treasury by $12 /board member
> for 1 year. According to the former ByLaws and the Proposed ByLaws as
> attached to yesterday’s email, this change would require club
> membership to pass an *_Amendment_ *to any ByLaws change. 50% of the
> eligible club members must be present and a simple majority vote would
> stand.
>
> Thank you.
>
> -member raasch
>
> *From:* crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com
> <mailto:crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com>> *On Behalf Of
> *raaschb at charter.net <mailto:raaschb at charter.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2023 10:32 PM
> *To:* CRW-Talk at crwoodturner.com <mailto:CRW-Talk at crwoodturner.com>
> *Cc:* bobraasch2 at gmail.com <mailto:bobraasch2 at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* [crw-talk] ByLaws and Officers nominations
>
> Hello All,
>
> John states in this month’s newsletter, under FOUND IN THE WOOD CHIPS
> UNDER MY LATHE - “An essential topic for September will be nomination
> of officers so there will be an important business meeting as well.
> All offices are up for election”.
>
> Indeed the *actual* election will be coming, however to be clear, that
> takes place at the October 21 meeting. All members wishing to vote
> must be present.
>
> As bout 1/2 or less of the CRW membership are eligible to be officers
> as I have been informed for several years, _that officers must be AAW
> members._ However, this is not substantiated in these two attached
> files. Therefore, that leaves a rather small eligible pool. I’m
> quite certain, within the larger membership (including non AAW member
> club folks), there are plenty of people, who have the _talent_ and
> _possibly the desire_ to be on the board, but are not now eligible to
> run, as their AAW membership is not active.
>
> I have requested several times over the past year, most recently
> responding to the Online Survey sent out on June 13 by James Bloomer,
> that the current ByLaws be reviewed by the board and membership.
> Nothing has resulted from that suggestion, nor an acknowledgment of
> such. The club meeting following the board mtg in June did not mention
> the ByLaws by any measure!
>
> Keep in mind, there is _NO mandate that AAW membership is required for
> affiliate club officers as specified by the AAW._ However, IMHO,
> ideally a board member would desire to be a member of the AAW.
>
> Within the AAW website, Under Chapter Officer Toolkit, Under Chapter
> Officer Update, the text reads “If an officer is not a current member
> of AAW their information will not display on the chapter searches”.
>
> Also, Under Best Practice #036, within the Officers’ Took Kit section,
> it reads “_Keep in mind that the four key officers need to be members
> of the American Association of Woodturners for the club to qualify for
> the liability insurance sponsored by AAW._” The 4 key officers I
> believe are: Pres, V Pres, Secretary and Program Officer/Director.
>
> On giving thought to this for some time, I see several possibilities
> re: Club Bylaws.
>
> 1.Review, update and remove the CRW guidelines /ByLaws (if indeed
> written in the current acting document) that officers be AAW members,
> accepting the fact that the club is then _ineligible _to quality for
> liability insurance sponsored by the AAW.
>
> 2.Keep the current ByLaws are they are, resulting in a fairly small
> pool of members eligible to become club officers. Require chap
> officers to be AAW members, as an _informal request by someone_ as
> apparently is the current case. A rather unhealthy affair.
>
> 3.Require elected board members to be AAW members; to be written in
> the ByLaws by following the guidelines as currently defined for
> amending the ByLaws, AND offering a stipend from the CRW Treasury for
> the cost of each officer’s membership during the time they actually
> serve, currently about $68/ year. Additionally, the CRW club’s
> Publicist could be offered this same benefit as this position is very
> active.
>
> Regarding the CRW ByLaws, I have researched archival information as
> best as able. As I recall, the board chooses not to publish current
> By-Laws, even though requested. An official copy would hopefully be
> available from the Club Secretary or in the Club library. However, I
> don’t know of accuracy of this statement.
>
> Too keep all club members informed, attached is what I have found, and
> have attached pdf files of both versions. Both versions appear to be
> in synch in textual meaning. At some time in the past, the club would
> have voted to approve, although I don’t have access to that specific
> information.
>
> Do ByLaws matter? Is there a need to review and update periodically
> the ByLaws?
>
> Each individual member will have to answer those questions for
> themselves. I for one believe and understand the need to periodically
> review, update and follow. However, I cannot locate any club timeline
> or information related for review in either version.
>
> Both versions are attached. I was a board member in 2013, so know
> accuracy of the ByLaws at that time. And, once again in 2016 or early
> 2017 prior to adopting the 501c3 status.
>
> 1.CRW – 7 Corrected New ByLaws, Dec 17, 2011 Jim Frank It is
> labelled 2011, but believe this was also continued into 2016 or early
> 2017.
>
> ARTICLE VII – OFFICERS
>
> A.Term of Office. Each Officer shall hold office for 1 year. Election
> of Officers will occur during the October meeting of each year and
> will not take office until January 1, of the following year.
>
> 2.Chapter_Proposed_BylawsV2, Possibly 2017 It is my belief, although
> not certain is that this updated By-Laws was developed to be in
> compliance with the 501c3 non profit status as submitted to government
> authorities to satisfy non-profit status.
>
> ARTICLE IX
>
> Board of Directors
>
> Section B, Method of Election: The Officers shall be elected at the
> Octobermeeting of the Chapter, and shall serve for terms of One (1)
> year. A slate of Officers shall be developed by the Board of Directors
> in September, presented to the membership at the October meeting, and
> combined with any nominations from the floor at that time. The
> election of Officers will take place at the October, meeting with the
> newly elected Officers assuming full duties on January 1. Elections
> will be by a simple majority of votes cast by the membership present.
>
> If someone knows of the current governing By-Laws, please respond with
> the copy. To be noted, the By-Laws are the governing document of the
> club and should be followed.
>
> I won’t be able to attend this Sat meeting, so am posting my concerns
> via CRW talk.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Member Bob Raasch
>
>
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