From jbloedorn at centurytel.net  Fri Sep  1 08:17:54 2023
From: jbloedorn at centurytel.net (jbloedorn)
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2023 08:17:54 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] ISO 3 phase motor & VFD convertor
In-Reply-To: <551bb2ff-beb0-10e2-e91b-6f3a67dc0632@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <TMSMTP03OCpKFRyqwdp0001cf19@tmsmtp03oc.mail2world.com>

Sounds similar to my lathe.? If you find something please let me know. Is it 1" x 10 threaded?Jim Bloedorn?Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
-------- Original message --------From: Ken Grunke <kengrunke at gmail.com> Date: 9/1/23  7:12 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: "Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners." <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com> Subject: [crw-talk] ISO 3 phase motor & VFD convertor 
    I just bought an old Sears/Atlas 12 x 36" lathe,
        very nice, solid machine and want to put a VFD drive on it.
        Looking for a 3/4 to 1 1/2 hp 3 phase motor and a VFD control to
        go with it. It came with a single phase induction motor. One or
        the other, or both. Anything out there?
    Ken Grunke
    
  

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From aamethesta at aol.com  Thu Sep  7 10:06:53 2023
From: aamethesta at aol.com (Pam Day)
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2023 15:06:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [crw-talk] September meeting
References: <1200348859.5017631.1694099213761.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1200348859.5017631.1694099213761@mail.yahoo.com>

This month the meeting will be in the woodshop.? ?Entrance thru main door or the door under the drop off into the main hallway.? We will be setting up the AV on Friday the 15th. 7 pm - 830ish if you would like to help.? We will also need help tearing the AV down after the meeting and would appreciate help.? See you then?

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From griff at mwt.net  Sat Sep  9 10:06:18 2023
From: griff at mwt.net (griff)
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2023 10:06:18 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] SCAM
Message-ID: <88dbd24e-a754-4626-d16b-160556a733ba@mwt.net>

Good Saturday morning members,

Checking my email and got a message purporting to be from James, 
supposedly he is out of town and unable to have access to regular phone 
service, with a vague hint to send some gift cards for veterans.

If anyone else gets a similar message, it is a scam.? Delete it. John




From jayejohnson099 at centurytel.net  Tue Sep 12 17:18:46 2023
From: jayejohnson099 at centurytel.net (jayejohnson099)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 17:18:46 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] September meeting
In-Reply-To: <1200348859.5017631.1694099213761@mail.yahoo.com>
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Hi! Pam! Remember that I won't be there! Bring regular coffee in the air pots and make 30 cups of Decaf in the perk pot! 11/4 cup of Decaf!? Thanks for all you do for the Club!!Jay?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Pam Day <aamethesta at aol.com> Date: 9/7/23  8:28 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: "Membership Mailing List for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region	Woodturners." <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com> Subject: [crw-talk] September meeting This month the meeting will be in the woodshop.? ?Entrance thru main door or the door under the drop off into the main hallway.? We will be setting up the AV on Friday the 15th. 7 pm - 830ish if you would like to help.? We will also need help tearing the AV down after the meeting and would appreciate help.? See you then?Sent from AOL on Android
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From aamethesta at aol.com  Tue Sep 12 17:19:47 2023
From: aamethesta at aol.com (Pam Day)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 22:19:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [crw-talk] September meeting
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Message-ID: <617679339.529797.1694557187843@mail.yahoo.com>

No problem?

Sent from AOL on Android 
 
  On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 5:18 PM, jayejohnson099<jayejohnson099 at centurytel.net> wrote:   Hi! Pam! Remember that I won't be there! Bring regular coffee in the air pots and make 30 cups of Decaf in the perk pot! 11/4 cup of Decaf!? Thanks for all you do for the Club!!Jay?


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

-------- Original message --------From: Pam Day <aamethesta at aol.com> Date: 9/7/23 8:28 PM (GMT-06:00) To: "Membership Mailing List for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners." <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com> Subject: [crw-talk] September meeting 
This month the meeting will be in the woodshop.? ?Entrance thru main door or the door under the drop off into the main hallway.? We will be setting up the AV on Friday the 15th. 7 pm - 830ish if you would like to help.? We will also need help tearing the AV down after the meeting and would appreciate help.? See you then?

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From raaschb at charter.net  Tue Sep 12 22:31:48 2023
From: raaschb at charter.net (raaschb at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 22:31:48 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] ByLaws and Officers nominations
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAA9V6zNnWQpGgQZ6htmKX18BAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAAA9eo3vfejCTYtynhdwP9mOAQAAAAA=@charter.net>

Hello All,

John states in this month's newsletter,  under FOUND IN THE WOOD CHIPS UNDER
MY LATHE - "An essential topic for September will be nomination of officers
so there will be an important business meeting as well. All offices are up
for election".  

Indeed the actual election will be coming, however to be clear, that takes
place at the October 21 meeting. All members wishing to vote must be
present.

 

As bout 1/2 or less of the CRW membership are eligible to be officers as I
have been informed for several years, that officers must be AAW members.
However, this is not substantiated in these two attached files.   Therefore,
that leaves a rather small eligible pool. I'm quite certain, within the
larger membership (including non AAW member club folks), there are plenty of
people, who have the talent and possibly the desire to be on the board, but
are not now eligible to run, as their AAW membership is not active.

 

I have requested several times over the past year, most recently responding
to the Online Survey sent out on June 13 by James Bloomer, that the current
ByLaws be reviewed by the board and membership.  Nothing has resulted from
that suggestion, nor an acknowledgment of such. The club meeting following
the board mtg in June did not mention the ByLaws by any measure!

 

Keep in mind, there is NO mandate that AAW membership is required for
affiliate club officers as specified by the AAW.  However, IMHO, ideally a
board member would desire to be a member of the AAW.  

Within the AAW website, Under Chapter Officer Toolkit, Under Chapter Officer
Update, the text reads " If an officer is not a current member of AAW their
information will not display on the chapter searches".

 

Also, Under Best Practice #036, within the Officers' Took Kit section, it
reads "Keep in mind that the four key officers need to be members of the
American Association of Woodturners for the club to qualify for the
liability insurance sponsored by AAW." The 4 key officers I believe are:
Pres, V Pres, Secretary and Program Officer/Director. 

 

On giving thought to this for some time, I see several possibilities re:
Club Bylaws. 

1.	Review,  update and remove the CRW guidelines /ByLaws (if indeed
written in the current acting document) that officers be AAW members,
accepting the fact that the club is then ineligible to quality for liability
insurance sponsored by the AAW. 
2.	Keep the current ByLaws are they are, resulting in a fairly small
pool of members eligible to become club officers. Require chap officers to
be AAW members, as an informal request by someone as apparently is the
current case. A rather unhealthy affair.
3.	Require elected board members to be AAW members; to be written in
the ByLaws by following the guidelines as currently defined for amending the
ByLaws, AND offering a stipend from the CRW Treasury for the cost of each
officer's membership during the time they actually serve, currently about
$68/ year.  Additionally, the CRW club's Publicist could be offered this
same benefit as this position is very active.  

 

Regarding the CRW ByLaws, I have researched archival information as best as
able.  As I recall, the board  chooses not to publish current By-Laws, even
though requested.  An official copy would hopefully be available from the
Club Secretary or in the Club library. However, I don't know of accuracy of
this statement.

 

Too keep all club members informed, attached is what I have found, and have
attached pdf files of both versions. Both versions appear to be in synch in
textual meaning. At some time in the past, the club would have voted to
approve, although I don't have access to that specific information.

 

Do ByLaws matter?  Is there a need to review and update periodically the
ByLaws?

Each individual member will have to answer those questions for themselves.
I for one believe and understand the need to periodically review, update and
follow. However, I cannot locate any club timeline or information related
for review in either version.

 

Both versions are attached.  I was a board member in 2013, so know accuracy
of the ByLaws at that time.  And, once again in 2016 or early 2017 prior to
adopting the 501c3 status.

 

1.	CRW - 7 Corrected New ByLaws, Dec 17, 2011 Jim Frank   It is
labelled 2011, but believe this was also continued into 2016 or early 2017.

ARTICLE VII - OFFICERS

A.	Term of Office.  Each Officer shall hold office for 1 year.
Election of Officers will occur during the October meeting of each year and
will not take office until January 1, of the following year.

 

 

2.	Chapter_Proposed_BylawsV2, Possibly 2017   It is my belief, although
not certain is that this updated By-Laws was developed to be in compliance
with the 501c3 non profit status as submitted to government authorities to
satisfy non-profit status. 

ARTICLE IX

Board of Directors

Section B, Method of Election: The Officers shall be elected at the October
meeting of the Chapter, and shall serve for terms of One (1) year. A slate
of Officers shall be developed by the Board of Directors in September,
presented to the membership at the October meeting, and combined with any
nominations from the floor at that time. The election of Officers will take
place at the October, meeting with the newly elected Officers assuming full
duties on January 1. Elections will be by a simple majority of votes cast by
the membership present.

 

If someone knows of the current governing By-Laws, please respond with the
copy. To be noted, the By-Laws are the governing document of the club and
should be followed.   

 

I won't be able to attend this Sat meeting, so am posting my concerns via
CRW talk.  

 

 

Thank you.  

Member Bob Raasch

 

 

 

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From raaschb at charter.net  Thu Sep 14 22:11:54 2023
From: raaschb at charter.net (raaschb at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 22:11:54 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] ByLaws and Officers nominations
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAA9V6zNnWQpGgQZ6htmKX18BAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAAA9eo3vfejCTYtynhdwP9mOAQAAAAA=@charter.net>
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Hello All,

Further review of ByLaws-Officers and Insurance.

If any person has access to ANY minutes that show when the PROPOSED ByLaws
were indeed passed by members, please allow those to be seen. I can find no
such information of acceptance, although I suspect approval was granted?

 

In reviewing the CRW Club's Insurance page,
http://www.crwoodturner.com/insurance/CRW_insurance_info_sheet_2017.html

it doe DOES  NOT appear the club insurance program is tied to officers being
members of the AAW. This program was well thought out by Jim Frank in 2015
and updated in 2017 with the help of Tim Kakuska, Vice President of
Robertson Ryan & Associates, LaCrosse, WI.

If the website is accurate and up to date to which I cannot verify, then our
insurance has liability and accident insurance clauses with 2 different
insurance companies. Accident insurance policy thru Gerber Life Insurance
Company and Commercial General Liability Coverage through The Cincinnati
Insurance Company.  I believe the club's insurance programs stands separate
from the AAW plans that may be offered.

 

Therefore,  if the club desires, the Proposed ByLaws could be amended to
remove the requirements that the 4 main officer position holders hold
membership in the AAW. The AAW does not require club officers to be AAW
members, although highly recommended.  AAW membership does offer many
positive benefits however to which I wholeheartedly endorse and hold
membership.

 

However, I suggest a change to my previous days email in that if the CRW
membership insists on AAW membership for board members,  then the club may
offer an incentive to those interested in SERVING as an officer. The
incentive could come from the club Treasury which offers to pay the
membership rate for 1 year only for a digital membership at $56.00 US for
each officer. The full membership includes digital and paper copy of the
journal, currently at $68.00 US. This incentive would incur a debit from the
Treasury by $12 /board member for 1 year. According to the former ByLaws and
the Proposed  ByLaws as attached to yesterday's email, this change would
require club membership to pass an Amendment to any ByLaws change. 50% of
the eligible club members must be present and a simple majority vote would
stand. 

 

Thank you.   

-member raasch

 

From: crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> On Behalf Of
raaschb at charter.net
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 10:32 PM
To: CRW-Talk at crwoodturner.com
Cc: bobraasch2 at gmail.com
Subject: [crw-talk] ByLaws and Officers nominations

 

Hello All,

John states in this month's newsletter,  under FOUND IN THE WOOD CHIPS UNDER
MY LATHE - "An essential topic for September will be nomination of officers
so there will be an important business meeting as well. All offices are up
for election".  

Indeed the actual election will be coming, however to be clear, that takes
place at the October 21 meeting. All members wishing to vote must be
present.

 

As bout 1/2 or less of the CRW membership are eligible to be officers as I
have been informed for several years, that officers must be AAW members.
However, this is not substantiated in these two attached files.   Therefore,
that leaves a rather small eligible pool. I'm quite certain, within the
larger membership (including non AAW member club folks), there are plenty of
people, who have the talent and possibly the desire to be on the board, but
are not now eligible to run, as their AAW membership is not active.

 

I have requested several times over the past year, most recently responding
to the Online Survey sent out on June 13 by James Bloomer, that the current
ByLaws be reviewed by the board and membership.  Nothing has resulted from
that suggestion, nor an acknowledgment of such. The club meeting following
the board mtg in June did not mention the ByLaws by any measure!

 

Keep in mind, there is NO mandate that AAW membership is required for
affiliate club officers as specified by the AAW.  However, IMHO, ideally a
board member would desire to be a member of the AAW.  

Within the AAW website, Under Chapter Officer Toolkit, Under Chapter Officer
Update, the text reads " If an officer is not a current member of AAW their
information will not display on the chapter searches".

 

Also, Under Best Practice #036, within the Officers' Took Kit section, it
reads "Keep in mind that the four key officers need to be members of the
American Association of Woodturners for the club to qualify for the
liability insurance sponsored by AAW." The 4 key officers I believe are:
Pres, V Pres, Secretary and Program Officer/Director. 

 

On giving thought to this for some time, I see several possibilities re:
Club Bylaws. 

1.	Review,  update and remove the CRW guidelines /ByLaws (if indeed
written in the current acting document) that officers be AAW members,
accepting the fact that the club is then ineligible to quality for liability
insurance sponsored by the AAW. 
2.	Keep the current ByLaws are they are, resulting in a fairly small
pool of members eligible to become club officers. Require chap officers to
be AAW members, as an informal request by someone as apparently is the
current case. A rather unhealthy affair.
3.	Require elected board members to be AAW members; to be written in
the ByLaws by following the guidelines as currently defined for amending the
ByLaws, AND offering a stipend from the CRW Treasury for the cost of each
officer's membership during the time they actually serve, currently about
$68/ year.  Additionally, the CRW club's Publicist could be offered this
same benefit as this position is very active.  

 

Regarding the CRW ByLaws, I have researched archival information as best as
able.  As I recall, the board  chooses not to publish current By-Laws, even
though requested.  An official copy would hopefully be available from the
Club Secretary or in the Club library. However, I don't know of accuracy of
this statement.

 

Too keep all club members informed, attached is what I have found, and have
attached pdf files of both versions. Both versions appear to be in synch in
textual meaning. At some time in the past, the club would have voted to
approve, although I don't have access to that specific information.

 

Do ByLaws matter?  Is there a need to review and update periodically the
ByLaws?

Each individual member will have to answer those questions for themselves.
I for one believe and understand the need to periodically review, update and
follow. However, I cannot locate any club timeline or information related
for review in either version.

 

Both versions are attached.  I was a board member in 2013, so know accuracy
of the ByLaws at that time.  And, once again in 2016 or early 2017 prior to
adopting the 501c3 status.

 

1.	CRW - 7 Corrected New ByLaws, Dec 17, 2011 Jim Frank   It is
labelled 2011, but believe this was also continued into 2016 or early 2017.

ARTICLE VII - OFFICERS

A.	Term of Office.  Each Officer shall hold office for 1 year.
Election of Officers will occur during the October meeting of each year and
will not take office until January 1, of the following year.

 

 

2.	Chapter_Proposed_BylawsV2, Possibly 2017   It is my belief, although
not certain is that this updated By-Laws was developed to be in compliance
with the 501c3 non profit status as submitted to government authorities to
satisfy non-profit status. 

ARTICLE IX

Board of Directors

Section B, Method of Election: The Officers shall be elected at the October
meeting of the Chapter, and shall serve for terms of One (1) year. A slate
of Officers shall be developed by the Board of Directors in September,
presented to the membership at the October meeting, and combined with any
nominations from the floor at that time. The election of Officers will take
place at the October, meeting with the newly elected Officers assuming full
duties on January 1. Elections will be by a simple majority of votes cast by
the membership present.

 

If someone knows of the current governing By-Laws, please respond with the
copy. To be noted, the By-Laws are the governing document of the club and
should be followed.   

 

I won't be able to attend this Sat meeting, so am posting my concerns via
CRW talk.  

 

 

Thank you.  

Member Bob Raasch

 

 

 

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From aamethesta at aol.com  Fri Sep 15 15:42:04 2023
From: aamethesta at aol.com (Pam Day)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 20:42:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [crw-talk] Set up for Sat. Meeting
References: <298795590.1916773.1694810524552.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <298795590.1916773.1694810524552@mail.yahoo.com>


Anyone available to help with AV setup for tomorrow's meeting please come help set up tonight at 7 pm at Luther High School.?
If we get some help it should only take an hour or two.Sent from AOL on Android
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From jdwilson at acegroup.cc  Fri Sep 15 16:58:02 2023
From: jdwilson at acegroup.cc (Jennifer & Dan Wilson)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 16:58:02 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Bylaws and Officers nominations
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Message-ID: 5360f3bcc48d99e91ecfcc28bc07a701

To any Member of CRW:

If you have a link to our bylaws, please send it to me via email?jdwilson at acegroup.cc.  I am no longer familiar with the bylaws and would like to have an opportunity to review the document before being asked to vote on any amendments.      

At this point, I am concerned that we might be giving up valuable benefits afforded by our club?s membership in the AAW, including but not limited to liability insurance, simply because we elect officers who are not members of AAW.  It seems someone who is willing to serve as an officer should also be willing to maintain their own membership in the AAW to help insure the benefits to the members of our club.

Dan Wilson


Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Aaron Gesicki
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2023 12:36 PM
To: Aaron Gesicki
Subject: FW: [crw-talk] Bylaws and Officers nominations


I am forwarding this to all that are on my mailing list ? members and nonmembers. Relying on CRW Talk is insufficient, for whatever reason ? it is not up to date and seems only partially functional. 

Please read through what Bob Raasch has detailed. It shows that ? as an organized group, with physical and financial assets ? we are currently lacking organizational skills and in some cases shirking responsibilities. 

My intent here is not to chastise or belittle anyone. I believe we all want this group to succeed and even grow. We want to be active and properly organized, thus we need the officers to step up, sort this out, and then inform the membership on findings, status, and recommendations. 

If anyone needs perspective, a few of us can speak to what was done in the past, both recent, as Bob has described, and way back when, per Duane Hill and a few others. 

See y?all tomorrow.


Aaron Gesicki



From: raaschb at charter.net <raaschb at charter.net> 
Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 10:12 PM
To: 'Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners.' <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
Cc: bobraasch2 at gmail.com; raaschb at charter.net; Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com>
Subject: RE: [crw-talk] ByLaws and Officers nominations

Hello All,
Further review of ByLaws-Officers and Insurance.
If any person has access to ANY minutes that show when the PROPOSED ByLaws were indeed passed by members, please allow those to be seen. I can find no such information of acceptance, although I suspect approval was granted?

In reviewing the CRW Club?s Insurance page,? http://www.crwoodturner.com/insurance/CRW_insurance_info_sheet_2017.html
it doe DOES? NOT appear the club insurance program is tied to officers being members of the AAW. This program was well thought out by Jim Frank in 2015 and updated in 2017 with the help of Tim Kakuska, Vice President of Robertson Ryan & Associates, LaCrosse, WI.
If the website is accurate and up to date to which I cannot verify, then our insurance has liability and accident insurance clauses with 2 different insurance companies. Accident insurance policy thru Gerber Life Insurance Company and Commercial General Liability Coverage through The Cincinnati Insurance Company. ?I believe the club?s insurance programs stands separate from the AAW plans that may be offered.

Therefore,? if the club desires, the Proposed ByLaws could be amended to remove the requirements that the 4 main officer position holders hold membership in the AAW. The AAW does not require club officers to be AAW members, although highly recommended. ?AAW membership does offer many positive benefits however to which I wholeheartedly endorse and hold membership.

However, I suggest a change to my previous days email in that if the CRW membership insists on AAW membership for board members,? then the club may offer an incentive to those interested in SERVING as an officer. The incentive could come from the club Treasury which offers to pay the membership rate for 1 year only for a digital membership at $56.00 US for each officer. The full membership includes digital and paper copy of the journal, currently at $68.00 US. This incentive would incur a debit from the Treasury by $12 /board member for 1 year. According to the former ByLaws and the Proposed? ByLaws as attached to yesterday?s email, this change would require club membership to pass an Amendment to any ByLaws change. 50% of the eligible club members must be present and a simple majority vote would stand. 

Thank you.?? 
-member raasch

From: crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> On Behalf Of raaschb at charter.net
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 10:32 PM
To: CRW-Talk at crwoodturner.com
Cc: bobraasch2 at gmail.com
Subject: [crw-talk] ByLaws and Officers nominations

Hello All,
John states in this month?s newsletter,? under FOUND IN THE WOOD CHIPS UNDER MY LATHE - ?An essential topic for September will be nomination of officers so there will be an important business meeting as well. All offices are up for election?. ?
Indeed the actual election will be coming, however to be clear, that takes place at the October 21 meeting. All members wishing to vote must be present.

As bout 1/2 or less of the CRW membership are eligible to be officers as I have been informed for several years, that officers must be AAW members. ?However, this is not substantiated in these two attached files.?? Therefore, ?that leaves a rather small eligible pool. I?m quite certain, within the larger membership (including non AAW member club folks), there are plenty of people, who have the talent and possibly the desire to be on the board, but are not now eligible to run, as their AAW membership is not active.

I have requested several times over the past year, most recently responding to the Online Survey sent out on June 13 by James Bloomer, that the current ByLaws be reviewed by the board and membership. ?Nothing has resulted from that suggestion, nor an acknowledgment of such. The club meeting following the board mtg in June did not mention the ByLaws by any measure!

Keep in mind, there is NO mandate that AAW membership is required for affiliate club officers as specified by the AAW.? However, IMHO, ideally a board member would desire to be a member of the AAW. ?
Within the AAW website, Under Chapter Officer Toolkit, Under Chapter Officer Update, the text reads ? If an officer is not a current member of AAW their information will not display on the chapter searches?.

Also, Under Best Practice #036, within the Officers? Took Kit section, it reads ?Keep in mind that the four key officers need to be members of the American Association of Woodturners for the club to qualify for the liability insurance sponsored by AAW.? The 4 key officers I believe are: Pres, V Pres, Secretary and Program Officer/Director. 

On giving thought to this for some time, I see several possibilities re: Club Bylaws. 
1. Review,? update and remove the CRW guidelines /ByLaws (if indeed written in the current acting document) that officers be AAW members, accepting the fact that the club is then ineligible to quality for liability insurance sponsored by the AAW. 
2. Keep the current ByLaws are they are, resulting in a fairly small pool of members eligible to become club officers. Require chap officers to be AAW members, as an informal request by someone as apparently is the current case. A rather unhealthy affair.
3. Require elected board members to be AAW members; to be written in the ByLaws by following the guidelines as currently defined for amending the ByLaws, AND offering a stipend from the CRW Treasury for the cost of each officer?s membership during the time they actually serve, currently about $68/ year. ?Additionally, the CRW club?s Publicist could be offered this same benefit as this position is very active. ?

Regarding the CRW ByLaws, I have researched archival information as best as able.? As I recall, the board ?chooses not to publish current By-Laws, even though requested. ?An official copy would hopefully be available from the Club Secretary or in the Club library. However, I don?t know of accuracy of this statement.

Too keep all club members informed, attached is what I have found, and have attached pdf files of both versions. Both versions appear to be in synch in textual meaning. At some time in the past, the club would have voted to approve, although I don?t have access to that specific information.

Do ByLaws matter?? Is there a need to review and update periodically the ByLaws?
Each individual member will have to answer those questions for themselves.? I for one believe and understand the need to periodically review, update and follow. However, I cannot locate any club timeline or information related for review in either version.

Both versions are attached.? I was a board member in 2013, so know accuracy of the ByLaws at that time.? And, once again in 2016 or early 2017 prior to adopting the 501c3 status.

1. CRW ? 7 Corrected New ByLaws, Dec 17, 2011 Jim Frank?? It is labelled 2011, but believe this was also continued into 2016 or early 2017.
   ARTICLE VII ? OFFICERS
A. Term of Office.? Each Officer shall hold office for 1 year.? Election of Officers will occur during the October meeting of each year and will not take office until January 1, of the following year.


2. Chapter_Proposed_BylawsV2, Possibly 2017?? It is my belief, although not certain is that this updated By-Laws was developed to be in compliance with the 501c3 non profit status as submitted to government authorities to satisfy non-profit status. 
   ARTICLE IX
   Board of Directors
Section B, Method of Election: The Officers shall be elected at the October meeting of the Chapter, and shall serve for terms of One (1) year. A slate of Officers shall be developed by the Board of Directors in September, presented to the membership at the October meeting, and combined with any nominations from the floor at that time. The election of Officers will take place at the October, meeting with the newly elected Officers assuming full duties on January 1. Elections will be by a simple majority of votes cast by the membership present.

If someone knows of the current governing By-Laws, please respond with the copy. To be noted, the By-Laws are the governing document of the club and should be followed. ??

I won?t be able to attend this Sat meeting, so am posting my concerns via CRW talk.? 


Thank you.? 
Member Bob Raasch




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From aamethesta at aol.com  Sat Sep 16 15:34:24 2023
From: aamethesta at aol.com (Pam Day)
Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2023 20:34:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [crw-talk] Great meeting, thanks to everyone
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Wonderful meeting.? Many thanks to Rich for a wonderful demo.? Thanks to all who are considering running for offices.? A thriving club needs everyone sharing talent, energy, and senses of humor.?
Special thanks to everyone who helped with AV set up. Please consider helping with AV set up the Friday before next club meeting.?Will see you next month.
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From raaschb at charter.net  Sun Sep 17 00:39:41 2023
From: raaschb at charter.net (raaschb at charter.net)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 00:39:41 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Great meeting, thanks to everyone
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Echo Pam?s comment. 

 

I really like multi axis work, and Rich did a wonderful presentation.   Rich?s offset finial demo is intriguing, maybe I?ll give it a go! 

He mentioned Barbara Dill,  she is a guru on multiaxis, her website is Barbara Dill, Woodturner - ss_site_title <https://www.barbaradill.com/> . , or https://www.barbaradill.com/  She has lots of good info and an interesting Bio and I believe a WIT member within the AAW.

 

Club growth and success depends on all of us, as we are able, yup, be it running for an office, helping club meeting with set up or tear down,  contributing to the show n? tell table, submitting articles for the newsletter, sharing what you?re doing in the shop, etc.  Help spread the word; the Coulee Region Woodturners exists.   

 

Thx

-raasch

 

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Subject: FW: [crw-talk] Great meeting, thanks to everyone

 

Forwarded to all on my mailing list. 

 

 

Aaron Gesicki

 

 

 

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Subject: [crw-talk] Great meeting, thanks to everyone

 

Wonderful meeting.  Many thanks to Rich for a wonderful demo.  Thanks to all who are considering running for offices.  A thriving club needs everyone sharing talent, energy, and senses of humor. 

 

Special thanks to everyone who helped with AV set up. Please consider helping with AV set up the Friday before next club meeting. 

Will see you next month.

 

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From griff at mwt.net  Sun Sep 17 08:57:23 2023
From: griff at mwt.net (griff)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 08:57:23 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Bylaws and Officers nominations
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I agree with Dan fully. It is essential and not too much to ask for the 
top five officers in CRW (President down to Program director) to be AAW 
members. John

On 9/15/23 4:58 PM, Jennifer & Dan Wilson wrote:
>
> To any Member of CRW:
>
> If you have a link to our bylaws, please send it to me via 
> email?jdwilson at acegroup.cc <mailto:email?jdwilson at acegroup.cc>.? I am 
> no longer familiar with the bylaws and would like to have an 
> opportunity to review the document before being asked to vote on any 
> amendments.
>
> At this point, I am concerned that we might be giving up valuable 
> benefits afforded by our club?s membership in the AAW, including but 
> not limited to liability insurance, simply because we elect officers 
> who are not members of AAW.? It seems someone who is willing to serve 
> as an officer should also be willing to maintain their own membership 
> in the AAW to help insure the benefits to the members of our club.
>
> Dan Wilson
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows
>
> *From: *Aaron Gesicki <mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com>
> *Sent: *Friday, September 15, 2023 12:36 PM
> *To: *Aaron Gesicki <mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com>
> *Subject: *FW: [crw-talk] Bylaws and Officers nominations
>
> **
>
> *I am forwarding this to all that are on my mailing list ? members and 
> nonmembers. Relying on CRW Talk is insufficient, for whatever reason ? 
> it is not up to date and seems only partially functional. *
>
> **
>
> *Please read through what Bob Raasch has detailed. It shows that ? as 
> an organized group, with physical and financial assets ? we are 
> currently lacking organizational skills and in some cases shirking 
> responsibilities. *
>
> **
>
> *My intent here is not to chastise or belittle anyone. I believe we 
> all want this group to succeed and even grow. We want to be active and 
> properly organized, thus we need the officers to step up, sort this 
> out, and then inform the membership on findings, status, and 
> recommendations. *
>
> **
>
> *If anyone needs perspective, a few of us can speak to what was done 
> in the past, both recent, as Bob has described, and way back when, per 
> Duane Hill and a few others. *
>
> **
>
> *See y?all tomorrow.*
>
> **
>
> *Aaron Gesicki*
>
> **
>
> *From:* raaschb at charter.net <raaschb at charter.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 14, 2023 10:12 PM
> *To:* 'Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region 
> Woodturners.' <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
> *Cc:* bobraasch2 at gmail.com; raaschb at charter.net; Aaron Gesicki 
> <aaronagesicki at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* RE: [crw-talk] ByLaws and Officers nominations
>
> Hello All,
>
> Further review of ByLaws-Officers and Insurance.
>
> If any person has access to ANY minutes that show when the PROPOSED 
> ByLaws were indeed passed by members, please allow those to be seen. I 
> can find no such information of acceptance, although I suspect 
> approval was granted?
>
> In reviewing the CRW Club?s Insurance page, 
> http://www.crwoodturner.com/insurance/CRW_insurance_info_sheet_2017.html 
> <http://www.crwoodturner.com/insurance/CRW_insurance_info_sheet_2017.html>
>
> it doe DOES? NOT appear the *club insurance* program is tied to 
> officers being members of the AAW. This program was well thought out 
> by Jim Frank in 2015 and updated in 2017 with the help of Tim Kakuska, 
> Vice President of Robertson Ryan & Associates, LaCrosse, WI.
>
> If the website is accurate and up to date to which I cannot verify, 
> then our insurance has liability and accident insurance clauses with 2 
> different insurance companies. Accident insurance policy thru Gerber 
> Life Insurance Company and Commercial General Liability Coverage 
> through The Cincinnati Insurance Company. ?I believe the club?s 
> insurance programs stands separate from the AAW plans that may be offered.
>
> Therefore, if the club desires, the Proposed ByLaws could be amended 
> to *_remove_* the _requirements_ that the 4 main officer position 
> holders hold membership in the AAW. The AAW does not require club 
> officers to be AAW members, although highly recommended. ?AAW 
> membership does offer many positive benefits however to which I 
> wholeheartedly endorse and hold membership.
>
> However, I suggest a change to my previous days email in that if the 
> CRW membership_insists_ on AAW membership for board members,? then the 
> club may offer an incentive to those interested in SERVING as an 
> officer. The incentive could come from the club Treasury which 
> _offers_ to pay the membership rate for 1 year only for a digital 
> membership at $56.00 US for each officer. The full membership includes 
> digital and paper copy of the journal, currently at $68.00 US. This 
> incentive _would incur a debit_ from the Treasury by $12 /board member 
> for 1 year. According to the former ByLaws and the Proposed? ByLaws as 
> attached to yesterday?s email, this change would require club 
> membership to pass an *_Amendment_ *to any ByLaws change. 50% of the 
> eligible club members must be present and a simple majority vote would 
> stand.
>
> Thank you.
>
> -member raasch
>
> *From:* crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com 
> <mailto:crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com>> *On Behalf Of 
> *raaschb at charter.net <mailto:raaschb at charter.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2023 10:32 PM
> *To:* CRW-Talk at crwoodturner.com <mailto:CRW-Talk at crwoodturner.com>
> *Cc:* bobraasch2 at gmail.com <mailto:bobraasch2 at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* [crw-talk] ByLaws and Officers nominations
>
> Hello All,
>
> John states in this month?s newsletter,? under FOUND IN THE WOOD CHIPS 
> UNDER MY LATHE - ?An essential topic for September will be nomination 
> of officers so there will be an important business meeting as well. 
> All offices are up for election?.
>
> Indeed the *actual* election will be coming, however to be clear, that 
> takes place at the October 21 meeting. All members wishing to vote 
> must be present.
>
> As bout 1/2 or less of the CRW membership are eligible to be officers 
> as I have been informed for several years, _that officers must be AAW 
> members._ ?However, this is not substantiated in these two attached 
> files.?? Therefore, ?that leaves a rather small eligible pool. I?m 
> quite certain, within the larger membership (including non AAW member 
> club folks), there are plenty of people, who have the _talent_ and 
> _possibly the desire_ to be on the board, but are not now eligible to 
> run, as their AAW membership is not active.
>
> I have requested several times over the past year, most recently 
> responding to the Online Survey sent out on June 13 by James Bloomer, 
> that the current ByLaws be reviewed by the board and membership. 
> ?Nothing has resulted from that suggestion, nor an acknowledgment of 
> such. The club meeting following the board mtg in June did not mention 
> the ByLaws by any measure!
>
> Keep in mind, there is _NO mandate that AAW membership is required for 
> affiliate club officers as specified by the AAW._? However, IMHO, 
> ideally a board member would desire to be a member of the AAW.
>
> Within the AAW website, Under Chapter Officer Toolkit, Under Chapter 
> Officer Update, the text reads ?If an officer is not a current member 
> of AAW their information will not display on the chapter searches?.
>
> Also, Under Best Practice #036, within the Officers? Took Kit section, 
> it reads ?_Keep in mind that the four key officers need to be members 
> of the American Association of Woodturners for the club to qualify for 
> the liability insurance sponsored by AAW._? The 4 key officers I 
> believe are: Pres, V Pres, Secretary and Program Officer/Director.
>
> On giving thought to this for some time, I see several possibilities 
> re: Club Bylaws.
>
> 1.Review, update and remove the CRW guidelines /ByLaws (if indeed 
> written in the current acting document) that officers be AAW members, 
> accepting the fact that the club is then _ineligible _to quality for 
> liability insurance sponsored by the AAW.
>
> 2.Keep the current ByLaws are they are, resulting in a fairly small 
> pool of members eligible to become club officers. Require chap 
> officers to be AAW members, as an _informal request by someone_ as 
> apparently is the current case. A rather unhealthy affair.
>
> 3.Require elected board members to be AAW members; to be written in 
> the ByLaws by following the guidelines as currently defined for 
> amending the ByLaws, AND offering a stipend from the CRW Treasury for 
> the cost of each officer?s membership during the time they actually 
> serve, currently about $68/ year. ?Additionally, the CRW club?s 
> Publicist could be offered this same benefit as this position is very 
> active.
>
> Regarding the CRW ByLaws, I have researched archival information as 
> best as able.? As I recall, the board ?chooses not to publish current 
> By-Laws, even though requested. ?An official copy would hopefully be 
> available from the Club Secretary or in the Club library. However, I 
> don?t know of accuracy of this statement.
>
> Too keep all club members informed, attached is what I have found, and 
> have attached pdf files of both versions. Both versions appear to be 
> in synch in textual meaning. At some time in the past, the club would 
> have voted to approve, although I don?t have access to that specific 
> information.
>
> Do ByLaws matter? Is there a need to review and update periodically 
> the ByLaws?
>
> Each individual member will have to answer those questions for 
> themselves. I for one believe and understand the need to periodically 
> review, update and follow. However, I cannot locate any club timeline 
> or information related for review in either version.
>
> Both versions are attached.? I was a board member in 2013, so know 
> accuracy of the ByLaws at that time.? And, once again in 2016 or early 
> 2017 prior to adopting the 501c3 status.
>
> 1.CRW ? 7 Corrected New ByLaws, Dec 17, 2011 Jim Frank?? It is 
> labelled 2011, but believe this was also continued into 2016 or early 
> 2017.
>
> ARTICLE VII ? OFFICERS
>
> A.Term of Office. Each Officer shall hold office for 1 year.? Election 
> of Officers will occur during the October meeting of each year and 
> will not take office until January 1, of the following year.
>
> 2.Chapter_Proposed_BylawsV2, Possibly 2017?? It is my belief, although 
> not certain is that this updated By-Laws was developed to be in 
> compliance with the 501c3 non profit status as submitted to government 
> authorities to satisfy non-profit status.
>
> ARTICLE IX
>
> Board of Directors
>
> Section B, Method of Election: The Officers shall be elected at the 
> Octobermeeting of the Chapter, and shall serve for terms of One (1) 
> year. A slate of Officers shall be developed by the Board of Directors 
> in September, presented to the membership at the October meeting, and 
> combined with any nominations from the floor at that time. The 
> election of Officers will take place at the October, meeting with the 
> newly elected Officers assuming full duties on January 1. Elections 
> will be by a simple majority of votes cast by the membership present.
>
> If someone knows of the current governing By-Laws, please respond with 
> the copy. To be noted, the By-Laws are the governing document of the 
> club and should be followed.
>
> I won?t be able to attend this Sat meeting, so am posting my concerns 
> via CRW talk.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Member Bob Raasch
>
>
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From griff at mwt.net  Sun Sep 17 09:08:02 2023
From: griff at mwt.net (griff)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 09:08:02 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Great meeting, thanks to everyone
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I second or third that comment.? Excellent and very well prepared demo, 
Rich.? The video was outstanding.? When we can get a better view of the 
turning on the TV screen then off the lathe, we know we are doing it 
right.? Thanks to all who helped and attended. Hope more members attend 
next month for Jay's Demo.? John

On 9/17/23 12:39 AM, raaschb at charter.net wrote:
>
> Echo Pam?s comment.
>
> I really like multi axis work, and Rich did a wonderful presentation. 
> ??Rich?s offset finial demo is intriguing, maybe I?ll give it a go!
>
> He mentioned Barbara Dill, ?she is a guru on multiaxis, her website is 
> Barbara Dill, Woodturner - ss_site_title 
> <https://www.barbaradill.com/>. , or https://www.barbaradill.com/ 
> <https://www.barbaradill.com/> ?She has lots of good info and an 
> interesting Bio and I believe a WIT member within the AAW.
>
> Club growth and success depends on all of us, as we are able, yup, be 
> it running for an office, helping club meeting with set up or tear 
> down, ?contributing to the show n? tell?table, submitting articles for 
> the newsletter, sharing what you?re doing in the shop, etc. ?Help 
> spread the word; the Coulee Region Woodturners exists.
>
> Thx
>
> -raasch
>
> *From:* Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com 
> <mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com>>
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 16, 2023 7:33 PM
> *To:* Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com 
> <mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com>>
> *Subject:* FW: [crw-talk] Great meeting, thanks to everyone
>
> *Forwarded to all on my mailing list. *
>
> **
>
> *Aaron Gesicki*
>
> **
>
> *From:* crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com 
> <mailto:crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com>> *On Behalf Of *Pam Day
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 16, 2023 3:34 PM
> *To:* Membership Mailing List for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region 
> Woodturners. <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com 
> <mailto:crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>>
> *Subject:* [crw-talk] Great meeting, thanks to everyone
>
> Wonderful meeting.? Many thanks to Rich for a wonderful demo.? Thanks 
> to all who are considering running for offices.? A thriving club needs 
> everyone sharing talent, energy, and senses of humor.
>
> Special thanks to everyone who helped with AV set up. Please consider 
> helping with AV set up the Friday before next club meeting.
>
> Will see you next month.
>
> Sent from AOL on Android 
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aol.mobile.aolapp>
>
>
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From mogoldfish at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 17 19:23:32 2023
From: mogoldfish at yahoo.com (Kristine Clough)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 00:23:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [crw-talk] Bylaws and Officers nominations
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 I have never seen a copy of the By-Laws, even as an officer of the club.? I talked with Adrian a few months ago and he gave everything he had to Jim Bloomer.
Kris
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 08:58:07 AM CDT, griff <griff at mwt.net> wrote:  
 
  
I agree with Dan fully. It is essential and not too much to ask for the top five officers in CRW (President down to Program director) to be AAW members. John
 
 On 9/15/23 4:58 PM, Jennifer & Dan Wilson wrote:
  
 
 
To any Member of CRW:
 
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If you have a link to our bylaws, please send it to me via email?jdwilson at acegroup.cc.? I am no longer familiar with the bylaws and would like to have an opportunity to review the document before being asked to vote on any amendments.? ????
 
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At this point, I am concerned that we might be giving up valuable benefits afforded by our club?s membership in the AAW, including but not limited to liability insurance, simply because we elect officers who are not members of AAW.? It seems someone who is willing to serve as an officer should also be willing to maintain their own membership in the AAW to help insure the benefits to the members of our club.
 
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Dan Wilson
 
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From: Aaron Gesicki
 Sent: Friday, September 15, 2023 12:36 PM
 To: Aaron Gesicki
 Subject: FW: [crw-talk] Bylaws and Officers nominations
  
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I am forwarding this to all that are on my mailing list ? members and nonmembers. Relying on CRW Talk is insufficient, for whatever reason ? it is not up to date and seems only partially functional. 
 
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Please read through what Bob Raasch has detailed. It shows that ? as an organized group, with physical and financial assets ? we are currently lacking organizational skills and in some cases shirking responsibilities. 
 
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My intent here is not to chastise or belittle anyone. I believe we all want this group to succeed and even grow. We want to be active and properly organized, thus we need the officers to step up, sort this out, and then inform the membership on findings, status, and recommendations. 
 
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If anyone needs perspective, a few of us can speak to what was done in the past, both recent, as Bob has described, and way back when, per Duane Hill and a few others. 
 
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See y?all tomorrow.
 
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Aaron Gesicki
 
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From: raaschb at charter.net <raaschb at charter.net> 
 Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2023 10:12 PM
 To: 'Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners.' <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
 Cc: bobraasch2 at gmail.com; raaschb at charter.net; Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com>
 Subject: RE: [crw-talk] ByLaws and Officers nominations
   
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Hello All,
 
Further review of ByLaws-Officers and Insurance.
 
If any person has access to ANY minutes that show when the PROPOSED ByLaws were indeed passed by members, please allow those to be seen. I can find no such information of acceptance, although I suspect approval was granted?
 
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In reviewing the CRW Club?s Insurance page,? http://www.crwoodturner.com/insurance/CRW_insurance_info_sheet_2017.html
 
it doe DOES? NOT appear the club insurance program is tied to officers being members of the AAW. This program was well thought out by Jim Frank in 2015 and updated in 2017 with the help of Tim Kakuska, Vice President of Robertson Ryan & Associates, LaCrosse, WI.
 
If the website is accurate and up to date to which I cannot verify, then our insurance has liability and accident insurance clauses with 2 different insurance companies. Accident insurance policy thru Gerber Life Insurance Company and Commercial General Liability Coverage through The Cincinnati Insurance Company. ?I believe the club?s insurance programs stands separate from the AAW plans that may be offered.
 
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Therefore,? if the club desires, the Proposed ByLaws could be amended to remove the requirements that the 4 main officer position holders hold membership in the AAW. The AAW does not require club officers to be AAW members, although highly recommended. ?AAW membership does offer many positive benefits however to which I wholeheartedly endorse and hold membership.
 
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However, I suggest a change to my previous days email in that if the CRW membership insists on AAW membership for board members,? then the club may offer an incentive to those interested in SERVING as an officer. The incentive could come from the club Treasury which offers to pay the membership rate for 1 year only for a digital membership at $56.00 US for each officer. The full membership includes digital and paper copy of the journal, currently at $68.00 US. This incentive would incur a debit from the Treasury by $12 /board member for 1 year. According to the former ByLaws and the Proposed? ByLaws as attached to yesterday?s email, this change would require club membership to pass an Amendment to any ByLaws change. 50% of the eligible club members must be present and a simple majority vote would stand. 
 
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Thank you.?? 
 
-member raasch
 
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From: crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> On Behalf Of raaschb at charter.net
 Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 10:32 PM
 To: CRW-Talk at crwoodturner.com
 Cc: bobraasch2 at gmail.com
 Subject: [crw-talk] ByLaws and Officers nominations
   
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Hello All,
 
John states in this month?s newsletter,? under FOUND IN THE WOOD CHIPS UNDER MY LATHE - ?An essential topic for September will be nomination of officers so there will be an important business meeting as well. All offices are up for election?. ?
 
Indeed the actual election will be coming, however to be clear, that takes place at the October 21 meeting. All members wishing to vote must be present.
 
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As bout 1/2 or less of the CRW membership are eligible to be officers as I have been informed for several years, that officers must be AAW members. ?However, this is not substantiated in these two attached files.?? Therefore, ?that leaves a rather small eligible pool. I?m quite certain, within the larger membership (including non AAW member club folks), there are plenty of people, who have the talent and possibly the desire to be on the board, but are not now eligible to run, as their AAW membership is not active.
 
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I have requested several times over the past year, most recently responding to the Online Survey sent out on June 13 by James Bloomer, that the current ByLaws be reviewed by the board and membership. ?Nothing has resulted from that suggestion, nor an acknowledgment of such. The club meeting following the board mtg in June did not mention the ByLaws by any measure!
 
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Keep in mind, there is NO mandate that AAW membership is required for affiliate club officers as specified by the AAW.? However, IMHO, ideally a board member would desire to be a member of the AAW. ?
 
Within the AAW website, Under Chapter Officer Toolkit, Under Chapter Officer Update, the text reads ? If an officer is not a current member of AAW their information will not display on the chapter searches?.
 
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Also, Under Best Practice #036, within the Officers? Took Kit section, it reads ?Keep in mind that the four key officers need to be members of the American Association of Woodturners for the club to qualify for the liability insurance sponsored by AAW.? The 4 key officers I believe are: Pres, V Pres, Secretary and Program Officer/Director. 
 
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On giving thought to this for some time, I see several possibilities re: Club Bylaws. 
 
1.????? Review,? update and remove the CRW guidelines /ByLaws (if indeed written in the current acting document) that officers be AAW members, accepting the fact that the club is then ineligible to quality for liability insurance sponsored by the AAW. 
 
2.????? Keep the current ByLaws are they are, resulting in a fairly small pool of members eligible to become club officers. Require chap officers to be AAW members, as an informal request by someone as apparently is the current case. A rather unhealthy affair.
 
3.????? Require elected board members to be AAW members; to be written in the ByLaws by following the guidelines as currently defined for amending the ByLaws, AND offering a stipend from the CRW Treasury for the cost of each officer?s membership during the time they actually serve, currently about $68/ year. ?Additionally, the CRW club?s Publicist could be offered this same benefit as this position is very active. ?
 
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Regarding the CRW ByLaws, I have researched archival information as best as able.? As I recall, the board ?chooses not to publish current By-Laws, even though requested. ?An official copy would hopefully be available from the Club Secretary or in the Club library. However, I don?t know of accuracy of this statement.
 
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Too keep all club members informed, attached is what I have found, and have attached pdf files of both versions. Both versions appear to be in synch in textual meaning. At some time in the past, the club would have voted to approve, although I don?t have access to that specific information.
 
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Do ByLaws matter?? Is there a need to review and update periodically the ByLaws?
 
Each individual member will have to answer those questions for themselves.? I for one believe and understand the need to periodically review, update and follow. However, I cannot locate any club timeline or information related for review in either version.
 
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Both versions are attached.? I was a board member in 2013, so know accuracy of the ByLaws at that time.? And, once again in 2016 or early 2017 prior to adopting the 501c3 status.
 
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1.????? CRW ? 7 Corrected New ByLaws, Dec 17, 2011 Jim Frank?? It is labelled 2011, but believe this was also continued into 2016 or early 2017.
 
ARTICLE VII ? OFFICERS
 
A.???? Term of Office.? Each Officer shall hold office for 1 year.? Election of Officers will occur during the October meeting of each year and will not take office until January 1, of the following year.
 
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2.????? Chapter_Proposed_BylawsV2, Possibly 2017?? It is my belief, although not certain is that this updated By-Laws was developed to be in compliance with the 501c3 non profit status as submitted to government authorities to satisfy non-profit status. 
 
ARTICLE IX
 
Board of Directors
 
Section B, Method of Election: The Officers shall be elected at the October meeting of the Chapter, and shall serve for terms of One (1) year. A slate of Officers shall be developed by the Board of Directors in September, presented to the membership at the October meeting, and combined with any nominations from the floor at that time. The election of Officers will take place at the October, meeting with the newly elected Officers assuming full duties on January 1. Elections will be by a simple majority of votes cast by the membership present.
 
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If someone knows of the current governing By-Laws, please respond with the copy. To be noted, the By-Laws are the governing document of the club and should be followed. ??
 
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I won?t be able to attend this Sat meeting, so am posting my concerns via CRW talk.? 
 
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Thank you.? 
 
Member Bob Raasch
 
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From raaschb at charter.net  Wed Sep 20 17:42:03 2023
From: raaschb at charter.net (raaschb at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 17:42:03 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] FW: CRW officers candidates
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Hello, I forwarding to the membership as you all are important to the success of the turning club.

-raasch 

 

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Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 4:11 PM
To: Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com>; Bob Patros <rjpatros05 at gmail.com>; Pam Day <aamethesta at aol.com>; Jay Johnson <jayejohnson099 at centurytel.net>; Kris Clough <mogoldfish at yahoo.com>; John Griffiths <griff at mwt.net>; Dan Wilson <jdwilson at acegroup.cc>; Duane Hill <wisawdust at charter.net>; Jack FITZPATRICK <xfitz at charter.net>; James Bloomer <marine9096 at gmail.com>
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Subject: CRW officers candidates

 

Hello all, 

Good meeting Sat. Wow, Rich did a wonderful job. The AV team (principally Duane) provided a good visual & sound  experience. 

 

Several people stepped up for offices nomination, which is good news and a well qualified slate agreed to be nominated,  I  whole heartedly endorse these candidates. My apology to Peg, I don't have her email or contact info. 

Indeed, there appears to be no way for individual members to contact other members directly. Some kind of published list would be so helpful!

 

Aaron - Pres

Bob P- Veep

Peg- Sec

Unfilled- Prog Director

Unfilled- Treasurer

 

In looking at AAW officers guides & looking at various potential offices that would foster growth in the club, I suggest Publicist. I believe no version of club ByLaws mention this position, therefore it could be added & without any requirement the position holder be an AAW member. 

A simple "motion" can be made  at next club meeting to add the position,  an affirmative vote  by membership  could add this position effective immediately.

 

It is my hope, a copy of the bylaws as submitted to the govt as required for the 501 non profit status in about 2017 or so can be provided prior to next board & club meeting to fully understand our clubs official structure. 

 

The Publicist position is critical for club growth, especially if the membership desires getting the word out that CRW exists & expanding the membership base & programming options. 

 

I have a suggestion of a current club member with a vision for growth and who has good organizational skills that I would highly endorse if the club membership chooses this route. 

 

Thank you. 

- raasch

 

 

Bob R phone gmail address 

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From griff at mwt.net  Fri Sep 22 11:32:03 2023
From: griff at mwt.net (griff)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2023 11:32:03 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] December Round Robin/Christmas Party
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Hello Members

Here is an opportunity to put some spice into our club Christmas party:? 
The last couple of December meetings/Christmas party have become rather 
boring (to me anyway) so the Board has wisely decided to do a Round 
Robin Demo as part of the festivities.

To make this fly, we need to have 4-5 members demonstrating some 
woodturning skill.? Over the past dozen years that I have been in the 
club, the round robins have covered a myriad of topics: Vacuum 
chucking.? Sharpening. Bowl turning.? Pen turning.? Pen finishing.? Wood 
preservation with something on the order of "Cactus Juice".? Maybe use 
of Carbide tools, or lapping the cutters.? The topic does not need to be 
exhaustive study of every thing that has ever been written on it.? Just 
covering some bases and doing the same thing a few times over while 
others browse, ask questions and show how they respect your process.? A 
fun way to spend an hour or so-demonstrating or viewing.

So members, please come out of the woodwork and volunteer to show us how 
something is done.? We will set up club lathes and a grinder or whatever 
is needed. No TV or video, just lathes/machines scattered around the 
shop or commons so members may go from one to another at their leisure.? 
The material may be wood or acrylic, or HSS if we are sharpening.

If you have an idea of what you might like to demo, please let me know.? 
I need to get this organized between now and the December meeting.? 
Email me, catch me at a meeting, however suits you.

Thanks for considering this proposal, John




From wisawdust at charter.net  Fri Sep 22 11:52:50 2023
From: wisawdust at charter.net (wisawdust)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2023 11:52:50 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] December Round Robin/Christmas Party
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John, I would be willing to do something on either sharpening, shear scraping or threadchasing (you pick)DuaneSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: griff <griff at mwt.net> Date: 9/22/23  11:32 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: crw-talk at crwoodturner.com Subject: [crw-talk] December Round Robin/Christmas Party Hello MembersHere is an opportunity to put some spice into our club Christmas party:? The last couple of December meetings/Christmas party have become rather boring (to me anyway) so the Board has wisely decided to do a Round Robin Demo as part of the festivities.To make this fly, we need to have 4-5 members demonstrating some woodturning skill.? Over the past dozen years that I have been in the club, the round robins have covered a myriad of topics: Vacuum chucking.? Sharpening. Bowl turning.? Pen turning.? Pen finishing.? Wood preservation with something on the order of "Cactus Juice".? Maybe use of Carbide tools, or lapping the cutters.? The topic does not need to be exhaustive study of every thing that has ever been written on it.? Just covering some bases and doing the same thing a few times over while others browse, ask questions and show how they respect your process.? A fun way to spend an hour or so-demonstrating or viewing.So members, please come out of the woodwork and volunteer to show us how something is done.? We will set up club lathes and a grinder or whatever is needed. No TV or video, just lathes/machines scattered around the shop or commons so members may go from one to another at their leisure.? The material may be wood or acrylic, or HSS if we are sharpening.If you have an idea of what you might like to demo, please let me know.? I need to get this organized between now and the December meeting.? Email me, catch me at a meeting, however suits you.Thanks for considering this proposal, John_________________________________________Use "Reply to All" or "Reply List" to reach the whole group, "Reply" goes only to sender.______crw-talk mailing listcrw-talk at crwoodturner.comhttp://crwoodturner.com/mailman/listinfo/crw-talk_crwoodturner.comCheck the archive to make sure your message was sent: http://crwoodturner.com/pipermail/crw-talk_crwoodturner.com/
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From aamethesta at aol.com  Fri Sep 22 15:13:15 2023
From: aamethesta at aol.com (Pam Day)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2023 20:13:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [crw-talk] Throwing my hat
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I would like to throw my hat into the ring for the program director.? If it pleases the club.?
Pam

Ps be warned sometimes I come up with whacky ideas.?

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From griff at mwt.net  Fri Sep 22 15:15:16 2023
From: griff at mwt.net (griff)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2023 15:15:16 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Throwing my hat
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10-4!? Got it, John

On 9/22/23 3:13 PM, Pam Day wrote:
> I would like to throw my hat into the ring for the program director.? 
> If it pleases the club.
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> Pam
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> Ps be warned sometimes I come up with whacky ideas.
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From rjpatros05 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 26 22:15:23 2023
From: rjpatros05 at gmail.com (Robert Patros)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2023 22:15:23 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Wig stands
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Here?s an idea. In the current issue of American Woodturner ( page 11), a club solicited high school students to paint wig stands they made for donation. I wonder if the Luther shop students ( or others) would like to participate in such an endeavor with our club. I think they would get gratification in knowing their work would benefit others. 

Sent from my iPhone

From griff at mwt.net  Wed Sep 27 10:48:35 2023
From: griff at mwt.net (griff)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2023 10:48:35 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Wig stands
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That is worth considering.? It is good to involve students in service 
activities.? My own preference is for clear finish on natural wood but 
there are more ways to skin a cat.? Maybe bring it up at a meeting or 
attend the next board meeting on Zoom.? John

On 9/26/23 10:15 PM, Robert Patros wrote:
> Here?s an idea. In the current issue of American Woodturner ( page 11), a club solicited high school students to paint wig stands they made for donation. I wonder if the Luther shop students ( or others) would like to participate in such an endeavor with our club. I think they would get gratification in knowing their work would benefit others.
>
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From rjpatros05 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 27 14:00:24 2023
From: rjpatros05 at gmail.com (Robert Patros)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2023 14:00:24 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Wig stands
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Sounds good 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 27, 2023, at 10:49 AM, griff <griff at mwt.net> wrote:
> 
> ?That is worth considering.  It is good to involve students in service activities.  My own preference is for clear finish on natural wood but there are more ways to skin a cat.  Maybe bring it up at a meeting or attend the next board meeting on Zoom.  John
> 
>> On 9/26/23 10:15 PM, Robert Patros wrote:
>> Here?s an idea. In the current issue of American Woodturner ( page 11), a club solicited high school students to paint wig stands they made for donation. I wonder if the Luther shop students ( or others) would like to participate in such an endeavor with our club. I think they would get gratification in knowing their work would benefit others.
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From aamethesta at aol.com  Wed Sep 27 14:24:49 2023
From: aamethesta at aol.com (Pam Day)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2023 19:24:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [crw-talk] Bob patros tool
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Inspired by Bob P. I made this beading tool.



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From marine9096 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 28 09:46:19 2023
From: marine9096 at gmail.com (James Bloomer)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2023 09:46:19 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Skill demo and pen turn dates
Message-ID: <CAGK6+hBw9ByRrqVJFbeMeThK4O=s_gzj2ffDE_LhJG2JzncNbA@mail.gmail.com>

Good Morning Dan, I know when we talked since we are pausing the open shop
night until Jan due to the upgrade. We agreed to do another skill demo
followed by a hands on pen turn.
I was thinking sometime near the end of Oct for the skill demo, with a pen
turn near the end of Nov or beginning Dec. That way if the kids want to do
it as a gift they can. It would also give time to procure  and prep kits
and wood varieties. It would also give the club time to get max volunteers
for both.
I cc'd the club as well on this email

Let us know if there are specific dates that work for your schedule.

In Service

-- 
James A. Bloomer
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