From aamethesta at aol.com  Thu Oct  5 23:27:38 2023
From: aamethesta at aol.com (Pam Day)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2023 04:27:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [crw-talk] October meeting set up
References: <1186212648.9853674.1696566458038.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1186212648.9853674.1696566458038@mail.yahoo.com>

COME JOIN THE FUNFRIDAY OCTOBER 20? ? 7PM -8:30ishLUTHER HIGH SCHOOLIf the door gets locked we will post our phone number to come let you in?SET UP THE SHOP FOR SATURDAYS PROGRAM AND MEETINGWe need people to let us know if you can give us a hand, lights cameras and sound.? Set up a few chairs and help make the meetings a blast.
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From raaschb at charter.net  Fri Oct  6 15:59:47 2023
From: raaschb at charter.net (raaschb at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2023 15:59:47 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Bob's post to Woodturnig, issue #388
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A wee post I wrote to Woodturning guest editor Colwin Way recently.

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From rjpatros05 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  6 16:22:26 2023
From: rjpatros05 at gmail.com (Robert Patros)
Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2023 16:22:26 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Bob's post to Woodturnig, issue #388
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Very nice, Bob.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 6, 2023, at 4:00?PM, raaschb at charter.net wrote:
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> A wee post I wrote to Woodturning guest editor Colwin Way recently.
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From griff at mwt.net  Sun Oct  8 10:58:14 2023
From: griff at mwt.net (griff)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2023 10:58:14 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Bob's post to Woodturnig, issue #388
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Well, two published authors in our august group of turners. 
Congratulations Bob R. and Bob P.

On 10/6/23 3:59 PM, raaschb at charter.net wrote:
>
> A wee post I wrote to Woodturning guest editor Colwin Way recently.
>
>
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From marine9096 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 10 09:11:14 2023
From: marine9096 at gmail.com (James Bloomer)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2023 09:11:14 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Board meeting
Message-ID: <CAGK6+hAnRdo+WH8TfCHsejVhic+4U1okRdD_-b0wf6MHOgWDiA@mail.gmail.com>

Topics ;
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From mogoldfish at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 11 20:33:46 2023
From: mogoldfish at yahoo.com (Kristine Clough)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2023 01:33:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [crw-talk] Board meeting
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Can you send out the bylaws before the meeting?
Kris

Sent from Yahoo Mail - Master Your Inbox, Anywhere 
 
  On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 9:12 AM, James Bloomer<marine9096 at gmail.com> wrote:   Topics ;By-laws reviewEvents for rest of year




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From aamethesta at aol.com  Thu Oct 12 12:55:59 2023
From: aamethesta at aol.com (Pam Day)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2023 17:55:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [crw-talk] Set up Friday the 20th
References: <23720268.5359452.1697133359173.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Anyone planning on helping set up for the meeting?7pm.? Call if the door is locked.?

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From EganR at westerntc.edu  Thu Oct 12 12:58:01 2023
From: EganR at westerntc.edu (Egan, Richard)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2023 17:58:01 +0000
Subject: [crw-talk] Set up Friday the 20th
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Isn?t it next weekend?

From: crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> On Behalf Of Pam Day
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2023 12:56 PM
To: Cwc <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
Subject: [crw-talk] Set up Friday the 20th

CAUTION: This email originated from outside of Western Technical College. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.

Anyone planning on helping set up for the meeting?
7pm.  Call if the door is locked.
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From wisawdust at charter.net  Thu Oct 12 13:03:16 2023
From: wisawdust at charter.net (wisawdust at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2023 18:03:16 +0000
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From aamethesta at aol.com  Thu Oct 12 13:05:43 2023
From: aamethesta at aol.com (Pam Day)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2023 18:05:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [crw-talk] Set up Friday the 20th
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No Friday the 20 and meeting is 21 I am almost positive.?

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  On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 12:58 PM, Egan, Richard<EganR at westerntc.edu> wrote:   
Isn?t it next weekend?
 
 ?
 
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From marine9096 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 16 08:06:41 2023
From: marine9096 at gmail.com (James Bloomer)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2023 08:06:41 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Set up Friday the 20th
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Will try to be there

On Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 12:56?PM Pam Day <aamethesta at aol.com> wrote:

> Anyone planning on helping set up for the meeting?
> 7pm.  Call if the door is locked.
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From raaschb at charter.net  Mon Oct 16 23:14:58 2023
From: raaschb at charter.net (raaschb at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2023 23:14:58 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] CRW By-Laws circa 2018,
 Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to the IRS to pursue non-profit status
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Dear fellow members, 

I am including important information pertaining to the topic, hoping some
will read, reflect and possibly take notice. 

The substance of the official IRS correspondence to the club regarding
non-profit status, is in the bottom half of this document. The By-Laws
reflect parameters required for 501 c 3 status.

 

The Coulee Region Woodturning club leadership was apprised of the IRS
requirements to maintain non-profit status many times over the course of the
past year, WELL prior to the 3 year limit of failing to file the appropriate
documentation.  Further, I've been assured that the IRS understands the
problems that COVID has caused the country, that indeed, as for many
organizations, correspondence between the Coulee Region Turning club and the
IRS would have mitigated the termination of our non-profit status.  At this
juncture, if non-profit status were to be sought,  reapplication would seem
inevitable. 

 

Members, please note that much thought and work went into writing the club
By-Laws to comply to the IRS guidelines for meeting nonprofit status. I was
a board member at the time, and recall much discussion and had input as many
others did as well,  AND,  the club membership voted to apply for this
determination rendered by the IRS and allocating the required funding from
the club treasury. The membership at that time, albeit prior to the COVID-19
shutdown and prolonged epidemic saw the value over the long haul of such a
charitable non-profit designation. Of  minor benefits are a small tax break
that may result in making charitable contributions. The larger benefit is
applying for grant dollars, getting club programming into organizations that
take 501 (c) (3) status. All these and more benefits could be realized. At
that time of seeking non-profit status, the club was substantially abundant
in membership size, growing and participating in several community
engagement activities, was highly viable, and conducting programming which
spoke to the club's mission.  That was a time of great fun, satisfaction,
collegial relationships and introducing the craft of woodturning  to many
people, fairly young and mature alike. 

 

I don't recall the specific club expenditure of funds, which were approved
by membership, somewhere in the area of about possibly $600?  It is my view
now and for some period now, that club leadership frittered this opportunity
away by not filling out the "simple" Form 990-EZ, essentially a post card,
within 3 years of the IRS letter dated Sep 27, 2019.  To be sure, we know
many organizations suffered during the COVID times. However, the club began
meeting in person during the early part of 2021, I believe June at the
Lion's Shelter, next to the Onalaska Community Center, indeed outdoors,  and
even board meetings were conducted albeit over zoom.

 

I do not know or understand why the IRS correspondence lapse occurred (
there would be no cost other than a postage stamp),  but we all know the
challenges and angst this lapse may have caused. If any of our personal
household finances suffered an approx. $600 deficit,  our psyche would be
affected as well as our financial bottom line. 

 

The meat of the IRS document that was returned to the club on about Sep 27,
2019 follows.

 

The latest By-Law's were written Wed Apr 12, 2017 and sent to the IRS. 

If interested in the accuracy, see the posted a message to the CRW-Talk
mailserver, located in the club electronic archive on April 12, 2017, 501 c
3 update.   ByLaw's
<http://crwoodturner.com/pipermail/crw-talk_crwoodturner.com/> The crw-talk
Archives (crwoodturner.com)

 

A rendering of the IRS document follows.

 

On Sep 27, 2019, the CRW  INC received notification, From Internal Revenue
Service

PO Box 2508

Cincinnati, OH 54201

 

Public Charity Status: 509 (s) (2)

Form 990/999-EZ/900 -N-Required: YES

Effective date of Exemption: Sep 17, 2019

Contribution Deductibility: YES

Addendum Applies: NO

 

Department of Treasury 

Contract Telephone Number: 877 829 5500

Contact Person: Lee Crouch

CRW's EIN: 82-1153646

 

The body of the letter informs us:  CRW INC is determined exempt from
Federal Income Tax under Internal Revenue Code (IRC) Section 501 (C) (3).
Donors can deduct contributions they make to you under Internal Revenue Code
IRC Section 170.

You're also qualified to receive tax deductible bequests, devices, transfers
or gifts under Section 2055, 2106, or 2522. This letter could help resolve
questions on your exempt status. Please keep it for your records. 

Organizations exempt under IRC Section 501(c) (3) are further classified as
either public charities or private foundations. We determined you're a
public charity under the IRC Section listed at the top of this letter. 

....our records show you're required to file an annual information return
(Form 990 or Form 990-EZ) or electronic notice (Form 996-N, the e-Postcard.
If you don't file a required return or notice for three consecutive years,
you're exempt status will be automatically revoked.

 

If we indicated at the top of this letter that if an addendum applies, the
enclosed addendum is an integral part of this letter

For important information about your responsibilities as ai tax-exempt
organization, go to www.irs.gov/charities <http://www.irs.gov/charities> .
Enter 4221-PC in the search bar to view Publication 4221-PC, Compliance
Guide for 501 (C) (3) Public Charities, which describes your recordkeeping,
reporting and disclosures. 

 

Coulee Region Woodturners INC.

 

Sincerely,

Stephen...

Director, Exempt Organizations

Rulings and Agreements

 

End of IRS communication

 

I send this note to you, my fellow club members to make one last attempt to
revive the vision that was integral to the club in the recent past. Seeking
a non-profit status would indeed open many doors for club growth,  if the
club desires growth. By not doing so,  those doors are closed.  

 

Sincerely,   

CRW Member Bob Raasch

 

 

From: Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 2:00 PM
To: Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com>
Subject: CRW By-Laws circa 2018

 

Please see attached. These will be discussed during the next CRW Meeting.
Attendees will be asked for input. 

 

 

 

 

Aaron Gesicki

 

1317 Woodpark Road

Winona, MN 55987

 

507-615-0233  home

303-551-2450  cell

 

 

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From cswoodworking at charter.net  Tue Oct 17 10:49:11 2023
From: cswoodworking at charter.net (Jim Cox)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2023 10:49:11 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] FW: Call For Artists - Middleton Art Walk Promotional
 Materials
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Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Rishika Tumula
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 10:27 AM
To: Rishika Tumula
Subject: Call For Artists - Middleton Art Walk Promotional Materials

Greetings! 

The Middleton Arts Committee announces a call for fine artists for the 2024 Middleton ART WALK Middleton promotional materials.?

The artist that is chosen will receive publicity through their art being featured on promotional materials for the festival. The winner will also receive one free both space at ART WALK Middleton, scheduled for May 18, 2024, 10 a.m.-5 p.m.

To enter, please fill out the?form linked here?and submit photos of the piece(s) you would like to enter. The deadline is Dec. 31, 2023.
An example use is attached here (zebra oil painting by Erin Lynn Summers, used in 2022 ART WALK Middleton promotional materials). 


Best, 
Rishika Tumula?(she/her)
City of Middleton
rtumula at cityofmiddleton.us


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From raaschb at charter.net  Tue Oct 17 20:08:07 2023
From: raaschb at charter.net (raaschb at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2023 20:08:07 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] CRW By-Laws circa 2018,
 Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to the IRS to pursue non-profit status and
 Follow Up. And some visioning!
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Dear members,

Follow up on B-L's and pursuance of 501 (c) (3) status.  Aaron opened the
door in his recent newsletter, I just walked in and wrote yesterday's piece.


I've been informed by our club's  previous president, Adrian,  there may be
a process for reinstatement; some paperwork and a possible outlay of  about
$275 required. Good news right?

 

I have included some detail here as the process may be less intimidating
than our wild imaginations may think. Should the club decide reinstatement
is positive for club growth, bringing forth opportunities for grants, etc.,
some work has already been done here, well ya now know where to start the
process.   Kinda like the tree has been cut down, hauled to your shop, snow
brushed off (yup that season justa round the corner), the bowl blanks
prepared for your creative endeavor, right? I know it's a stretch, but ya
get my point!?

 

Some quick research on the IRS website, under form 2022-1 has a document
titled Automatic Revocation - How to Have your Tax-Exempt Status Reinstated.
I'm not a tax lawyer, no surprise here,  and don't even play one on TV, but
it would appear that since the club's tax-exempt status was automatically
terminated more than 15 months ago for the reasons outline in my previous
note, AND the club's non-exempt status was not previously automatically
terminated, the club may submit Form 2023 and  others, plus submission of
$275, from the club's treasury to Department of the Treasury, IRS, Ogden,
UT. I'm sure the process is not quick and probably some hurry up and wait;
we know govt wheels spin SLOWLY. 

 

Sure there's a wee bit more, but, would be worth the effort if the
collective membership view a tax exempt status as desirable.  Some helpful
links for those interested: 

Form 2022-1 Internal Revenue Bulletin: 2022-01 | Internal Revenue Service
(irs.gov) <https://www.irs.gov/irb/2022-01_IRB#REV-PROC-2022-1> .   AND 

Automatic Revocation - How to Have Your Tax-Exempt Status Reinstated |
Internal Revenue Service (irs.gov)
<https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/automati
c-revocation-how-to-have-your-tax-exempt-status-reinstated>    .  

 

The actual procedure, outlined in Revenue Procedure 2014-11 explains the 4
procedures an organization may use to apply for reinstatement. 

A small committee of 2-3 can work thru this, I volunteer to join that group
if formed.  

Thanks, Adrian, for forwarding this IRS information. 

 

The following article by AAW executive officer, Jennifer Newburg may speak
to you, as it did to me this morning while reading at the coffee shop. While
the article specifically addresses the AAW, we can imagine substituting the
CRW for the AAW.  

If you're an AAW member, this can be found in the American Woodturner,
October 2023 issue.  IMHO  this message may speak to us, the collective CRW
membership, as we look hopefully to 2024 as a chance to get back to our
roots, but now move forward.  I'm convinced or at least hopeful; new
leadership will lead the way, be engaged, be open, inclusive, listen to the
voices, then act in an appropriate and responsible manner to  launch us
forward.    

Regards,

CRW member Bob Raasch

 



 

From: raaschb at charter.net <raaschb at charter.net> 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 11:15 PM
To: 'Aaron Gesicki' <aaronagesicki at gmail.com>; CRW-Talk at crwoodturner.com
Cc: raaschb at charter.net; bobraasch2 at gmail.com
Subject: RE: CRW By-Laws circa 2018, Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to the IRS to
pursue non-profit status

 

Dear fellow members, 

I am including important information pertaining to the topic, hoping some
will read, reflect and possibly take notice. 

The substance of the official IRS correspondence to the club regarding
non-profit status, is in the bottom half of this document. The By-Laws
reflect parameters required for 501 c 3 status.

 

The Coulee Region Woodturning club leadership was apprised of the IRS
requirements to maintain non-profit status many times over the course of the
past year, WELL prior to the 3 year limit of failing to file the appropriate
documentation.  Further, I've been assured that the IRS understands the
problems that COVID has caused the country, that indeed, as for many
organizations, correspondence between the Coulee Region Turning club and the
IRS would have mitigated the termination of our non-profit status.  At this
juncture, if non-profit status were to be sought,  reapplication would seem
inevitable. 

 

Members, please note that much thought and work went into writing the club
By-Laws to comply to the IRS guidelines for meeting nonprofit status. I was
a board member at the time, and recall much discussion and had input as many
others did as well,  AND,  the club membership voted to apply for this
determination rendered by the IRS and allocating the required funding from
the club treasury. The membership at that time, albeit prior to the COVID-19
shutdown and prolonged epidemic saw the value over the long haul of such a
charitable non-profit designation. Of  minor benefits are a small tax break
that may result in making charitable contributions. The larger benefit is
applying for grant dollars, getting club programming into organizations that
take 501 (c) (3) status. All these and more benefits could be realized. At
that time of seeking non-profit status, the club was substantially abundant
in membership size, growing and participating in several community
engagement activities, was highly viable, and conducting programming which
spoke to the club's mission.  That was a time of great fun, satisfaction,
collegial relationships and introducing the craft of woodturning  to many
people, fairly young and mature alike. 

 

I don't recall the specific club expenditure of funds, which were approved
by membership, somewhere in the area of about possibly $600?  It is my view
now and for some period now, that club leadership frittered this opportunity
away by not filling out the "simple" Form 990-EZ, essentially a post card,
within 3 years of the IRS letter dated Sep 27, 2019.  To be sure, we know
many organizations suffered during the COVID times. However, the club began
meeting in person during the early part of 2021, I believe June at the
Lion's Shelter, next to the Onalaska Community Center, indeed outdoors,  and
even board meetings were conducted albeit over zoom.

 

I do not know or understand why the IRS correspondence lapse occurred (
there would be no cost other than a postage stamp),  but we all know the
challenges and angst this lapse may have caused. If any of our personal
household finances suffered an approx. $600 deficit,  our psyche would be
affected as well as our financial bottom line. 

 

The meat of the IRS document that was returned to the club on about Sep 27,
2019 follows.

 

The latest By-Law's were written Wed Apr 12, 2017 and sent to the IRS. 

If interested in the accuracy, see the posted a message to the CRW-Talk
mailserver, located in the club electronic archive on April 12, 2017, 501 c
3 update.   ByLaw's
<http://crwoodturner.com/pipermail/crw-talk_crwoodturner.com/> The crw-talk
Archives (crwoodturner.com)

 

A rendering of the IRS document follows.

 

On Sep 27, 2019, the CRW  INC received notification, From Internal Revenue
Service

PO Box 2508

Cincinnati, OH 54201

 

Public Charity Status: 509 (s) (2)

Form 990/999-EZ/900 -N-Required: YES

Effective date of Exemption: Sep 17, 2019

Contribution Deductibility: YES

Addendum Applies: NO

 

Department of Treasury 

Contract Telephone Number: 877 829 5500

Contact Person: Lee Crouch

CRW's EIN: 82-1153646

 

The body of the letter informs us:  CRW INC is determined exempt from
Federal Income Tax under Internal Revenue Code (IRC) Section 501 (C) (3).
Donors can deduct contributions they make to you under Internal Revenue Code
IRC Section 170.

You're also qualified to receive tax deductible bequests, devices, transfers
or gifts under Section 2055, 2106, or 2522. This letter could help resolve
questions on your exempt status. Please keep it for your records. 

Organizations exempt under IRC Section 501(c) (3) are further classified as
either public charities or private foundations. We determined you're a
public charity under the IRC Section listed at the top of this letter. 

....our records show you're required to file an annual information return
(Form 990 or Form 990-EZ) or electronic notice (Form 996-N, the e-Postcard.
If you don't file a required return or notice for three consecutive years,
you're exempt status will be automatically revoked.

 

If we indicated at the top of this letter that if an addendum applies, the
enclosed addendum is an integral part of this letter

For important information about your responsibilities as ai tax-exempt
organization, go to www.irs.gov/charities <http://www.irs.gov/charities> .
Enter 4221-PC in the search bar to view Publication 4221-PC, Compliance
Guide for 501 (C) (3) Public Charities, which describes your recordkeeping,
reporting and disclosures. 

 

Coulee Region Woodturners INC.

 

Sincerely,

Stephen...

Director, Exempt Organizations

Rulings and Agreements

 

End of IRS communication

 

I send this note to you, my fellow club members to make one last attempt to
revive the vision that was integral to the club in the recent past. Seeking
a non-profit status would indeed open many doors for club growth,  if the
club desires growth. By not doing so,  those doors are closed.  

 

Sincerely,   

CRW Member Bob Raasch

 

 

From: Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com
<mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com> > 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 2:00 PM
To: Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com <mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com>
>
Subject: CRW By-Laws circa 2018

 

Please see attached. These will be discussed during the next CRW Meeting.
Attendees will be asked for input. 

 

 

 

 

Aaron Gesicki

 

1317 Woodpark Road

Winona, MN 55987

 

507-615-0233  home

303-551-2450  cell

 

 

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From adrian.novak at charter.net  Tue Oct 17 20:27:20 2023
From: adrian.novak at charter.net (Adrian Novak)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2023 20:27:20 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] CRW By-Laws circa 2018,
 Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to the IRS to pursue non-profit status and
 Follow Up. And some visioning!
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Message-ID: <37BB7C19-4583-48B9-A034-ACAE4AB8B227@edison.tech>

      
  

 If the $275 is a problem I will make a 10% contribution. If 9 others match this amount.   
  

  
Adrian   
  
  
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
>   
> On Oct 17, 2023 at 8:08 PM,  <Raaschb (mailto:raaschb at charter.net)>  wrote:
>   
>   
>           
>   
>
> Dear members,
>
>   
>
> Follow up on B-L?s and pursuance of 501 (c) (3) status.    Aaron opened the door in his recent newsletter, I just walked in and wrote yesterday?s piece.    
>
>   
>
> I?ve been informed by our club?s    previous president, Adrian,    there may be a process for reinstatement; some paperwork and a possible outlay of    about $275 required. Good news right?
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> I have included some detail here as the process may be less intimidating than our wild imaginations may think. Should the club decide reinstatement is positive for club growth, bringing forth opportunities for grants, etc., some work has already been done here, well ya now know where to start the process.      Kinda like the tree has been cut down, hauled to your shop, snow brushed off (yup that season justa round the corner), the bowl blanks prepared for  your  creative endeavor, right? I know it?s a stretch, but ya get my point!?
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Some quick research on the IRS website, under form 2022-1 has a document titled Automatic Revocation ? How to Have your Tax-Exempt Status Reinstated. I?m not a tax lawyer, no surprise here,    and don?t even play one on TV, but it would appear that since the club?s tax-exempt status was automatically terminated more than 15 months ago for the reasons outline in my previous note, AND the club?s non-exempt status  was not previously automatically terminated, the club may submit Form 2023 and    others, plus submission of $275, from the club?s treasury to Department of the Treasury, IRS, Ogden, UT. I?m sure the process is not quick and probably some hurry up and wait; we know govt wheels spin SLOWLY.
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Sure there?s a wee bit more, but, would be  worth the effort if the   collective membership   view a tax exempt status as desirable.    Some helpful links for those interested:
>
>   
>
> Form 2022-1  Internal Revenue Bulletin: 2022-01 | Internal Revenue Service (irs.gov) (https://www.irs.gov/irb/2022-01_IRB#REV-PROC-2022-1).      AND
>
>   
>
>  Automatic Revocation - How to Have Your Tax-Exempt Status Reinstated | Internal Revenue Service (irs.gov) (https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/automatic-revocation-how-to-have-your-tax-exempt-status-reinstated)      .   
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> The actual procedure, outlined in Revenue Procedure 2014-11 explains the 4 procedures an organization may use to apply for reinstatement.
>
>   
>
> A small committee of 2-3 can work thru this, I volunteer to join that group if formed.    
>
>   
>
> Thanks, Adrian, for forwarding this IRS information.
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> The following article by AAW executive officer, Jennifer Newburg may speak to you, as it did to me this morning while reading at the coffee shop. While the article specifically addresses the AAW, we can imagine substituting the CRW for the AAW.    
>
>   
>
> If you?re an AAW member, this can be found in the American Woodturner, October 2023 issue.    IMHO    this message may speak to us, the collective CRW membership, as we look hopefully to 2024 as a chance to get back to our roots, but now move forward.    I?m convinced or at least hopeful; new leadership will lead the way, be engaged, be open, inclusive, listen to the voices, then act in an appropriate and responsible manner to    launch us forward.        
>
>   
>
> Regards,
>
>   
>
> CRW member Bob Raasch
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
>
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>   
>   
>
> From:   raaschb at charter.net  <raaschb at charter.net>
>   Sent:  Monday, October 16, 2023 11:15 PM
>   To:  'Aaron Gesicki'  <aaronagesicki at gmail.com>; CRW-Talk at crwoodturner.com
>   Cc:  raaschb at charter.net; bobraasch2 at gmail.com
>   Subject:  RE: CRW By-Laws circa 2018, Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to the IRS to pursue non-profit status
>
>   
>   
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Dear fellow members,
>
>   
>
> I am including important information pertaining to the topic, hoping some will read, reflect and possibly take notice.
>
>   
>
> The substance of the official IRS correspondence to the club regarding non-profit status, is in the bottom half of this document. The By-Laws reflect parameters required for 501 c 3 status.
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> The Coulee Region Woodturning club leadership was apprised of the IRS requirements to maintain non-profit status many times over the course of the past year,  WELL prior to the 3 year limit of failing to file the appropriate documentation.    Further, I?ve been assured that the IRS understands the problems that COVID has caused the country, that indeed, as for many organizations, correspondence between the Coulee Region Turning club and the IRS would have mitigated the termination of our non-profit status.    At this juncture, if non-profit status were to be sought,    reapplication would seem inevitable.
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Members, please note that much thought and work went into writing the club By-Laws to comply to the IRS guidelines for meeting nonprofit status. I was a board member at the time, and recall much discussion and had input as many others did as well,    AND,    the club membership voted to apply for this determination rendered by the IRS and allocating the required funding from the club treasury. The membership at that time, albeit prior to the COVID-19 shutdown and prolonged epidemic saw the value over the long haul of such a charitable non-profit designation. Of    minor benefits are a small tax break that may result in making charitable contributions. The larger benefit is applying for grant dollars, getting club programming into organizations that take 501 (c) (3) status. All these and more benefits could be realized. At that time of seeking non-profit status, the club was substantially abundant in membership size, growing and participating in several community engagement activities, was highly viable, and conducting programming which spoke to the club?s mission.    That was a time of great fun, satisfaction, collegial relationships and introducing the craft of woodturning    to many people, fairly young and mature alike.
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> I don?t recall the specific club expenditure of funds, which were approved by membership, somewhere in the area of about possibly $600?    It is my view now and for some period now, that club leadership frittered this opportunity away by not filling out the ?simple? Form 990-EZ, essentially a post card, within 3 years of the IRS letter dated Sep 27, 2019.    To be sure, we know many organizations suffered during the COVID times. However, the club began meeting in person during the early part of 2021, I believe June at the Lion?s Shelter, next to the Onalaska Community Center, indeed outdoors,    and    even board meetings were conducted albeit over zoom.
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> I do not know or understand why the IRS correspondence lapse occurred ( there would be no cost other than a postage stamp),    but we all know the challenges and angst this lapse may have caused. If any of our personal household finances suffered an approx. $600 deficit,    our psyche would be affected as well as our financial bottom line.
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> The meat of the IRS document that was returned to the club on about Sep 27, 2019 follows.
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> The latest By-Law?s were written Wed Apr 12, 2017 and sent to the IRS.
>
>   
>
> If interested in the accuracy, see the posted a message to the CRW-Talk mailserver, located in the club electronic archive on April 12, 2017, 501 c 3 update.      ByLaw?s      The crw-talk Archives (crwoodturner.com) (http://crwoodturner.com/pipermail/crw-talk_crwoodturner.com/)
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> A rendering of the IRS document follows.
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> On Sep 27, 2019, the CRW    INC received notification, From Internal Revenue Service
>
>   
>
> PO Box 2508
>
>   
>
> Cincinnati, OH 54201
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Public Charity Status: 509 (s) (2)
>
>   
>
> Form 990/999-EZ/900 -N-Required: YES
>
>   
>
> Effective date of Exemption: Sep 17, 2019
>
>   
>
> Contribution Deductibility: YES
>
>   
>
> Addendum Applies: NO
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Department of Treasury
>
>   
>
> Contract Telephone Number: 877 829 5500
>
>   
>
> Contact Person: Lee Crouch
>
>   
>
> CRW?s EIN: 82-1153646
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> The body of the letter informs us:    CRW INC is determined exempt from Federal Income Tax under Internal Revenue Code (IRC) Section 501 (C) (3).    Donors can deduct contributions they make to you under Internal Revenue Code IRC Section 170.
>
>   
>
> You?re also qualified to receive tax deductible bequests, devices, transfers or gifts under Section 2055, 2106, or 2522. This letter could help resolve questions on your exempt status. Please keep it for your records.
>
>   
>
> Organizations exempt under IRC Section 501(c) (3) are further classified as either public charities or private foundations. We determined you?re a public charity under the IRC Section listed at the top of this letter.
>
>   
>
> ??..our records show you?re required to file an annual information return (Form 990 or Form 990-EZ) or electronic notice (Form 996-N, the e-Postcard. If you don?t file a required return or notice for three consecutive years, you?re exempt status will be automatically revoked.
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> If we indicated at the top of this letter that if an addendum applies, the enclosed addendum is an integral part of this letter
>
>   
>
> For important information about your responsibilities as ai tax-exempt organization, go to  www.irs.gov/charities (http://www.irs.gov/charities). Enter 4221-PC in the search bar to view Publication 4221-PC, Compliance Guide for 501 (C) (3) Public Charities, which describes your recordkeeping, reporting and disclosures.
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Coulee Region Woodturners INC.
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Sincerely,
>
>   
>
> Stephen???
>
>   
>
> Director, Exempt Organizations
>
>   
>
> Rulings and Agreements
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> End of IRS communication
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> I send this note to you, my fellow club members to make  one last attempt  to revive the vision that was integral to the club in the recent past. Seeking a non-profit status would indeed open many doors for club growth,    if the club desires growth. By not doing so,    those doors are closed.   
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Sincerely,     
>
>   
>
> CRW Member Bob Raasch
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>   
>   
>
> From:   Aaron Gesicki  <aaronagesicki at gmail.com (mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com)>
>   Sent:  Monday, October 16, 2023 2:00 PM
>   To:  Aaron Gesicki  <aaronagesicki at gmail.com (mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com)>
>   Subject:  CRW By-Laws circa 2018
>
>   
>   
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
>  Please see attached. These will be discussed during the next CRW Meeting. Attendees will be asked for input.
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>   
>
>     
>
>   
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>   
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>   
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>   
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>   
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>   
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>   
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>  Aaron Gesicki
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>   
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>   
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>   
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> 1317 Woodpark Road
>
>   
>
> Winona, MN 55987
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
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> 507-615-0233    home
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>   
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> 303-551-2450    cell
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>   
>
>   
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>   
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>   
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>  _________________________________________ Use "Reply to All" or "Reply List" to reach the whole group, "Reply" goes only to sender. ______ crw-talk mailing list crw-talk at crwoodturner.com http://crwoodturner.com/mailman/listinfo/crw-talk_crwoodturner.com Check the archive to make sure your message was sent: http://crwoodturner.com/pipermail/crw-talk_crwoodturner.com/
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From raaschb at charter.net  Tue Oct 17 20:33:34 2023
From: raaschb at charter.net (raaschb at charter.net)
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2023 20:33:34 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] CRW By-Laws circa 2018,
 Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to the IRS to pursue non-profit status and
 Follow Up. And some visioning!
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Well, Adrian, that is a most generous offer. I?ll add the same.  The club?s gotta accept the challenge, er pony up treasury.    Ya?ll gotta do the math.

-raasch

 

From: crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> On Behalf Of Adrian Novak
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 8:27 PM
To: Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners. <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
Cc: Bobraasch2 <bobraasch2 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [crw-talk] CRW By-Laws circa 2018, Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to the IRS to pursue non-profit status and Follow Up. And some visioning!

 

If the $275 is a problem I will make a 10% contribution. If 9 others match this amount. 

 

Adrian 

 






On Oct 17, 2023 at 8:08 PM, <Raaschb <mailto:raaschb at charter.net> > wrote:

Dear members,

Follow up on B-L?s and pursuance of 501 (c) (3) status.  Aaron opened the door in his recent newsletter, I just walked in and wrote yesterday?s piece.  

I?ve been informed by our club?s  previous president, Adrian,  there may be a process for reinstatement; some paperwork and a possible outlay of  about $275 required. Good news right?

 

I have included some detail here as the process may be less intimidating than our wild imaginations may think. Should the club decide reinstatement is positive for club growth, bringing forth opportunities for grants, etc., some work has already been done here, well ya now know where to start the process.   Kinda like the tree has been cut down, hauled to your shop, snow brushed off (yup that season justa round the corner), the bowl blanks prepared for your creative endeavor, right? I know it?s a stretch, but ya get my point!?

 

Some quick research on the IRS website, under form 2022-1 has a document titled Automatic Revocation ? How to Have your Tax-Exempt Status Reinstated. I?m not a tax lawyer, no surprise here,  and don?t even play one on TV, but it would appear that since the club?s tax-exempt status was automatically terminated more than 15 months ago for the reasons outline in my previous note, AND the club?s non-exempt status was not previously automatically terminated, the club may submit Form 2023 and  others, plus submission of $275, from the club?s treasury to Department of the Treasury, IRS, Ogden, UT. I?m sure the process is not quick and probably some hurry up and wait; we know govt wheels spin SLOWLY. 

 

Sure there?s a wee bit more, but, would be worth the effort if the collective membership view a tax exempt status as desirable.  Some helpful links for those interested: 

Form 2022-1 Internal Revenue Bulletin: 2022-01 | Internal Revenue Service (irs.gov) <https://www.irs.gov/irb/2022-01_IRB#REV-PROC-2022-1> .   AND 

Automatic Revocation - How to Have Your Tax-Exempt Status Reinstated | Internal Revenue Service (irs.gov) <https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/automatic-revocation-how-to-have-your-tax-exempt-status-reinstated>    .  

 

The actual procedure, outlined in Revenue Procedure 2014-11 explains the 4 procedures an organization may use to apply for reinstatement. 

A small committee of 2-3 can work thru this, I volunteer to join that group if formed.  

Thanks, Adrian, for forwarding this IRS information. 

 

The following article by AAW executive officer, Jennifer Newburg may speak to you, as it did to me this morning while reading at the coffee shop. While the article specifically addresses the AAW, we can imagine substituting the CRW for the AAW.  

If you?re an AAW member, this can be found in the American Woodturner, October 2023 issue.  IMHO  this message may speak to us, the collective CRW membership, as we look hopefully to 2024 as a chance to get back to our roots, but now move forward.  I?m convinced or at least hopeful; new leadership will lead the way, be engaged, be open, inclusive, listen to the voices, then act in an appropriate and responsible manner to  launch us forward.    

Regards,

CRW member Bob Raasch

 



 

From: raaschb at charter.net <mailto:raaschb at charter.net>  <raaschb at charter.net <mailto:raaschb at charter.net> > 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 11:15 PM
To: 'Aaron Gesicki' <aaronagesicki at gmail.com <mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com> >; CRW-Talk at crwoodturner.com <mailto:CRW-Talk at crwoodturner.com> 
Cc: raaschb at charter.net <mailto:raaschb at charter.net> ; bobraasch2 at gmail.com <mailto:bobraasch2 at gmail.com> 
Subject: RE: CRW By-Laws circa 2018, Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to the IRS to pursue non-profit status

 

Dear fellow members, 

I am including important information pertaining to the topic, hoping some will read, reflect and possibly take notice. 

The substance of the official IRS correspondence to the club regarding non-profit status, is in the bottom half of this document. The By-Laws reflect parameters required for 501 c 3 status.

 

The Coulee Region Woodturning club leadership was apprised of the IRS requirements to maintain non-profit status many times over the course of the past year, WELL prior to the 3 year limit of failing to file the appropriate documentation.  Further, I?ve been assured that the IRS understands the problems that COVID has caused the country, that indeed, as for many organizations, correspondence between the Coulee Region Turning club and the IRS would have mitigated the termination of our non-profit status.  At this juncture, if non-profit status were to be sought,  reapplication would seem inevitable. 

 

Members, please note that much thought and work went into writing the club By-Laws to comply to the IRS guidelines for meeting nonprofit status. I was a board member at the time, and recall much discussion and had input as many others did as well,  AND,  the club membership voted to apply for this determination rendered by the IRS and allocating the required funding from the club treasury. The membership at that time, albeit prior to the COVID-19 shutdown and prolonged epidemic saw the value over the long haul of such a charitable non-profit designation. Of  minor benefits are a small tax break that may result in making charitable contributions. The larger benefit is applying for grant dollars, getting club programming into organizations that take 501 (c) (3) status. All these and more benefits could be realized. At that time of seeking non-profit status, the club was substantially abundant in membership size, growing and participating in several community engagement activities, was highly viable, and conducting programming which spoke to the club?s mission.  That was a time of great fun, satisfaction, collegial relationships and introducing the craft of woodturning  to many people, fairly young and mature alike. 

 

I don?t recall the specific club expenditure of funds, which were approved by membership, somewhere in the area of about possibly $600?  It is my view now and for some period now, that club leadership frittered this opportunity away by not filling out the ?simple? Form 990-EZ, essentially a post card, within 3 years of the IRS letter dated Sep 27, 2019.  To be sure, we know many organizations suffered during the COVID times. However, the club began meeting in person during the early part of 2021, I believe June at the Lion?s Shelter, next to the Onalaska Community Center, indeed outdoors,  and  even board meetings were conducted albeit over zoom.

 

I do not know or understand why the IRS correspondence lapse occurred ( there would be no cost other than a postage stamp),  but we all know the challenges and angst this lapse may have caused. If any of our personal household finances suffered an approx. $600 deficit,  our psyche would be affected as well as our financial bottom line. 

 

The meat of the IRS document that was returned to the club on about Sep 27, 2019 follows.

 

The latest By-Law?s were written Wed Apr 12, 2017 and sent to the IRS. 

If interested in the accuracy, see the posted a message to the CRW-Talk mailserver, located in the club electronic archive on April 12, 2017, 501 c 3 update.   ByLaw?s   <http://crwoodturner.com/pipermail/crw-talk_crwoodturner.com/> The crw-talk Archives (crwoodturner.com)

 

A rendering of the IRS document follows.

 

On Sep 27, 2019, the CRW  INC received notification, From Internal Revenue Service

PO Box 2508

Cincinnati, OH 54201

 

Public Charity Status: 509 (s) (2)

Form 990/999-EZ/900 -N-Required: YES

Effective date of Exemption: Sep 17, 2019

Contribution Deductibility: YES

Addendum Applies: NO

 

Department of Treasury 

Contract Telephone Number: 877 829 5500

Contact Person: Lee Crouch

CRW?s EIN: 82-1153646

 

The body of the letter informs us:  CRW INC is determined exempt from Federal Income Tax under Internal Revenue Code (IRC) Section 501 (C) (3).  Donors can deduct contributions they make to you under Internal Revenue Code IRC Section 170.

You?re also qualified to receive tax deductible bequests, devices, transfers or gifts under Section 2055, 2106, or 2522. This letter could help resolve questions on your exempt status. Please keep it for your records. 

Organizations exempt under IRC Section 501(c) (3) are further classified as either public charities or private foundations. We determined you?re a public charity under the IRC Section listed at the top of this letter. 

??..our records show you?re required to file an annual information return (Form 990 or Form 990-EZ) or electronic notice (Form 996-N, the e-Postcard. If you don?t file a required return or notice for three consecutive years, you?re exempt status will be automatically revoked.

 

If we indicated at the top of this letter that if an addendum applies, the enclosed addendum is an integral part of this letter

For important information about your responsibilities as ai tax-exempt organization, go to www.irs.gov/charities <http://www.irs.gov/charities> . Enter 4221-PC in the search bar to view Publication 4221-PC, Compliance Guide for 501 (C) (3) Public Charities, which describes your recordkeeping, reporting and disclosures. 

 

Coulee Region Woodturners INC.

 

Sincerely,

Stephen???

Director, Exempt Organizations

Rulings and Agreements

 

End of IRS communication

 

I send this note to you, my fellow club members to make one last attempt to revive the vision that was integral to the club in the recent past. Seeking a non-profit status would indeed open many doors for club growth,  if the club desires growth. By not doing so,  those doors are closed.  

 

Sincerely,   

CRW Member Bob Raasch

 

 

From: Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com <mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com> > 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 2:00 PM
To: Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com <mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com> >
Subject: CRW By-Laws circa 2018

 

Please see attached. These will be discussed during the next CRW Meeting. Attendees will be asked for input. 

 

 

 

 

Aaron Gesicki

 

1317 Woodpark Road

Winona, MN 55987

 

507-615-0233  home

303-551-2450  cell

 

 

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From aaronagesicki at gmail.com  Wed Oct 18 10:05:57 2023
From: aaronagesicki at gmail.com (Aaron Gesicki)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2023 10:05:57 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] CRW By-Laws circa 2018,
 Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to the IRS to pursue non-profit status and
 Follow Up. And some visioning!
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My opinion ? 
Yes, reinstatement is worthwhile. 
NO to any special assessment. We have $3K+ bank balance. This gets paid from that general fund. 
 
 
Aaron Gesicki
 
 
 
From: Adrian Novak <adrian.novak at charter.net> 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 8:27 PM
To: Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners. <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
Cc: Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com>; Bobraasch2 <bobraasch2 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [crw-talk] CRW By-Laws circa 2018, Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to the IRS to pursue non-profit status and Follow Up. And some visioning!
 
If the $275 is a problem I will make a 10% contribution. If 9 others match this amount. 
 
Adrian 
 




On Oct 17, 2023 at 8:08 PM, <Raaschb <mailto:raaschb at charter.net> > wrote:
Dear members,
Follow up on B-L?s and pursuance of 501 (c) (3) status.  Aaron opened the door in his recent newsletter, I just walked in and wrote yesterday?s piece.  
I?ve been informed by our club?s  previous president, Adrian,  there may be a process for reinstatement; some paperwork and a possible outlay of  about $275 required. Good news right?
 
I have included some detail here as the process may be less intimidating than our wild imaginations may think. Should the club decide reinstatement is positive for club growth, bringing forth opportunities for grants, etc., some work has already been done here, well ya now know where to start the process.   Kinda like the tree has been cut down, hauled to your shop, snow brushed off (yup that season justa round the corner), the bowl blanks prepared for your creative endeavor, right? I know it?s a stretch, but ya get my point!?
 
Some quick research on the IRS website, under form 2022-1 has a document titled Automatic Revocation ? How to Have your Tax-Exempt Status Reinstated. I?m not a tax lawyer, no surprise here,  and don?t even play one on TV, but it would appear that since the club?s tax-exempt status was automatically terminated more than 15 months ago for the reasons outline in my previous note, AND the club?s non-exempt status was not previously automatically terminated, the club may submit Form 2023 and  others, plus submission of $275, from the club?s treasury to Department of the Treasury, IRS, Ogden, UT. I?m sure the process is not quick and probably some hurry up and wait; we know govt wheels spin SLOWLY. 
 
Sure there?s a wee bit more, but, would be worth the effort if the collective membership view a tax exempt status as desirable.  Some helpful links for those interested: 
Form 2022-1 Internal Revenue Bulletin: 2022-01 | Internal Revenue Service (irs.gov) <https://www.irs.gov/irb/2022-01_IRB#REV-PROC-2022-1> .   AND 
Automatic Revocation - How to Have Your Tax-Exempt Status Reinstated | Internal Revenue Service (irs.gov) <https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/automatic-revocation-how-to-have-your-tax-exempt-status-reinstated>    .  
 
The actual procedure, outlined in Revenue Procedure 2014-11 explains the 4 procedures an organization may use to apply for reinstatement. 
A small committee of 2-3 can work thru this, I volunteer to join that group if formed.  
Thanks, Adrian, for forwarding this IRS information. 
 
The following article by AAW executive officer, Jennifer Newburg may speak to you, as it did to me this morning while reading at the coffee shop. While the article specifically addresses the AAW, we can imagine substituting the CRW for the AAW.  
If you?re an AAW member, this can be found in the American Woodturner, October 2023 issue.  IMHO  this message may speak to us, the collective CRW membership, as we look hopefully to 2024 as a chance to get back to our roots, but now move forward.  I?m convinced or at least hopeful; new leadership will lead the way, be engaged, be open, inclusive, listen to the voices, then act in an appropriate and responsible manner to  launch us forward.    
Regards,
CRW member Bob Raasch
 

 
From: raaschb at charter.net <mailto:raaschb at charter.net>  <raaschb at charter.net <mailto:raaschb at charter.net> > 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 11:15 PM
To: 'Aaron Gesicki' <aaronagesicki at gmail.com <mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com> >; CRW-Talk at crwoodturner.com <mailto:CRW-Talk at crwoodturner.com> 
Cc: raaschb at charter.net <mailto:raaschb at charter.net> ; bobraasch2 at gmail.com <mailto:bobraasch2 at gmail.com> 
Subject: RE: CRW By-Laws circa 2018, Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to the IRS to pursue non-profit status
 
Dear fellow members, 
I am including important information pertaining to the topic, hoping some will read, reflect and possibly take notice. 
The substance of the official IRS correspondence to the club regarding non-profit status, is in the bottom half of this document. The By-Laws reflect parameters required for 501 c 3 status.
 
The Coulee Region Woodturning club leadership was apprised of the IRS requirements to maintain non-profit status many times over the course of the past year, WELL prior to the 3 year limit of failing to file the appropriate documentation.  Further, I?ve been assured that the IRS understands the problems that COVID has caused the country, that indeed, as for many organizations, correspondence between the Coulee Region Turning club and the IRS would have mitigated the termination of our non-profit status.  At this juncture, if non-profit status were to be sought,  reapplication would seem inevitable. 
 
Members, please note that much thought and work went into writing the club By-Laws to comply to the IRS guidelines for meeting nonprofit status. I was a board member at the time, and recall much discussion and had input as many others did as well,  AND,  the club membership voted to apply for this determination rendered by the IRS and allocating the required funding from the club treasury. The membership at that time, albeit prior to the COVID-19 shutdown and prolonged epidemic saw the value over the long haul of such a charitable non-profit designation. Of  minor benefits are a small tax break that may result in making charitable contributions. The larger benefit is applying for grant dollars, getting club programming into organizations that take 501 (c) (3) status. All these and more benefits could be realized. At that time of seeking non-profit status, the club was substantially abundant in membership size, growing and participating in several community engagement activities, was highly viable, and conducting programming which spoke to the club?s mission.  That was a time of great fun, satisfaction, collegial relationships and introducing the craft of woodturning  to many people, fairly young and mature alike. 
 
I don?t recall the specific club expenditure of funds, which were approved by membership, somewhere in the area of about possibly $600?  It is my view now and for some period now, that club leadership frittered this opportunity away by not filling out the ?simple? Form 990-EZ, essentially a post card, within 3 years of the IRS letter dated Sep 27, 2019.  To be sure, we know many organizations suffered during the COVID times. However, the club began meeting in person during the early part of 2021, I believe June at the Lion?s Shelter, next to the Onalaska Community Center, indeed outdoors,  and  even board meetings were conducted albeit over zoom.
 
I do not know or understand why the IRS correspondence lapse occurred ( there would be no cost other than a postage stamp),  but we all know the challenges and angst this lapse may have caused. If any of our personal household finances suffered an approx. $600 deficit,  our psyche would be affected as well as our financial bottom line. 
 
The meat of the IRS document that was returned to the club on about Sep 27, 2019 follows.
 
The latest By-Law?s were written Wed Apr 12, 2017 and sent to the IRS. 
If interested in the accuracy, see the posted a message to the CRW-Talk mailserver, located in the club electronic archive on April 12, 2017, 501 c 3 update.   ByLaw?s   <http://crwoodturner.com/pipermail/crw-talk_crwoodturner.com/> The crw-talk Archives (crwoodturner.com)
 
A rendering of the IRS document follows.
 
On Sep 27, 2019, the CRW  INC received notification, From Internal Revenue Service
PO Box 2508
Cincinnati, OH 54201
 
Public Charity Status: 509 (s) (2)
Form 990/999-EZ/900 -N-Required: YES
Effective date of Exemption: Sep 17, 2019
Contribution Deductibility: YES
Addendum Applies: NO
 
Department of Treasury 
Contract Telephone Number: 877 829 5500
Contact Person: Lee Crouch
CRW?s EIN: 82-1153646
 
The body of the letter informs us:  CRW INC is determined exempt from Federal Income Tax under Internal Revenue Code (IRC) Section 501 (C) (3).  Donors can deduct contributions they make to you under Internal Revenue Code IRC Section 170.
You?re also qualified to receive tax deductible bequests, devices, transfers or gifts under Section 2055, 2106, or 2522. This letter could help resolve questions on your exempt status. Please keep it for your records. 
Organizations exempt under IRC Section 501(c) (3) are further classified as either public charities or private foundations. We determined you?re a public charity under the IRC Section listed at the top of this letter. 
??..our records show you?re required to file an annual information return (Form 990 or Form 990-EZ) or electronic notice (Form 996-N, the e-Postcard. If you don?t file a required return or notice for three consecutive years, you?re exempt status will be automatically revoked.
 
If we indicated at the top of this letter that if an addendum applies, the enclosed addendum is an integral part of this letter
For important information about your responsibilities as ai tax-exempt organization, go to www.irs.gov/charities <http://www.irs.gov/charities> . Enter 4221-PC in the search bar to view Publication 4221-PC, Compliance Guide for 501 (C) (3) Public Charities, which describes your recordkeeping, reporting and disclosures. 
 
Coulee Region Woodturners INC.
 
Sincerely,
Stephen???
Director, Exempt Organizations
Rulings and Agreements
 
End of IRS communication
 
I send this note to you, my fellow club members to make one last attempt to revive the vision that was integral to the club in the recent past. Seeking a non-profit status would indeed open many doors for club growth,  if the club desires growth. By not doing so,  those doors are closed.  
 
Sincerely,   
CRW Member Bob Raasch
 
 
From: Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com <mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com> > 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 2:00 PM
To: Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com <mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com> >
Subject: CRW By-Laws circa 2018
 
Please see attached. These will be discussed during the next CRW Meeting. Attendees will be asked for input. 
 
 
 
 
Aaron Gesicki
 
1317 Woodpark Road
Winona, MN 55987
 
507-615-0233  home
303-551-2450  cell
 
 
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From rjpatros05 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 18 10:35:58 2023
From: rjpatros05 at gmail.com (Robert Patros)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2023 10:35:58 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] CRW By-Laws circa 2018,
 Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to the IRS to pursue non-profit status and
 Follow Up. And some visioning!
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From aamethesta at aol.com  Wed Oct 18 16:31:28 2023
From: aamethesta at aol.com (Pam Day)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2023 21:31:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [crw-talk] CRW By-Laws circa 2018,
 Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to the IRS to pursue non-profit status and
 Follow Up. And some visioning!
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I think face to face meetings are helpful generating and brainstorming ideas.?

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From: raaschb at charter.net (raaschb at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2023 00:16:36 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] CRW By-Laws circa 2018,
 Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to the IRS to pursue non-profit status and
 Follow Up. And some visioning!
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I cannot answer your questions with great specificity, Bob. However, I will do my best.

 

There are definite benefits to having the club designated as a non-profit or 501 (c)(3) organization.  Some I?ve illustrated previously, and probably many others yet to be explored.   The tax break to individuals for donating items are probably minimal as tax laws have changed over time.  For club purchases, paying no taxes would be minimal benefit. Historically, the club does make significant purchases of large ticket items or take in receipts of large sums, way under the $50,000 IRS threshold. I don?t know in what category annual dues are pigeonholed.

 

Please know for example that entering some community wide venues are only open to non-profits with no entry fee. If a non-profit club desires entry, there may be fees. Also, some venues may only invite non-profit organizations.

 

IMHO, the potential for writing grant applications to grant offering organizations that have resources for non-profits only, is significant and may result in positive results.  For example, there has been some interest in improving the AV system to a digital format; cameras, sound, switcher, replacement monitors and such down the road.   Grant monies would be helpful for this endeavor. This is not currently a priority. 

I believe when applying for grants, a non-profit status as well as community engagement activities, such as the club?s ongoing wig stand project, turning with kids, demonstrations at community wide events are looked at favorably.  Many granting organizations only take applications from non-profits.  Also, there are, I believe community events that only showcase non-profit organizations. BTW, I just learned today there is a national wig stand project. Maybe in the same vein as the Beads of Courage and Empty Bowls projects as many clubs do.

 

Many, if not most turning clubs are designated as non-profit. Check out at random 10 turning clubs, I think you?ll find this true.

Also, seeking a 501 c 3 status is good for the long haul if the club members vision club growth over time. Many doors will be open. Recall that a one time in the recent past, our club around 100+/- members.

 

The maintenance of the 501 c 3 status once granted by the IRS has minimal requirements; requires an annual e-Postcard form submitted to the IRS. This is very doable; in most clubs, the president or treasurer does this annual task. I don?t believe there is a cost associated with the process, but could be wrong. 

 

At the risk of boring the readers, I include this excerpt from the IRS website.  ?Most small tax-exempt organizations that have an annual reporting requirement can satisfy the requirements by submitting Form 990-N, Electronic Notice (e-Postcard) for Tax-Exempt Organizations Not Required to File Form 990 or Form 990-EZ. Form 990-N is submitted electronically, there are no paper forms.

An organization eligible to submit Form 990-N can instead choose to file Form 990 or Form 990-EZ to satisfy its annual reporting requirement.

Small tax-exempt organizations generally are eligible to file Form 990-N to satisfy their annual reporting requirement if their annual gross receipts are normally $50,000 or less.?

Annual Electronic Filing Requirement for Small Exempt Organizations ? Form 990-N (e-Postcard) | Internal Revenue Service (irs.gov) <https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/annual-electronic-filing-requirement-for-small-exempt-organizations-form-990-n-e-postcard> 


The above would apply to the Coulee Region Woodturners.

I am not in disagreement with Aaron on the source of money to fund 501 c3 reinstatement,  but some may find using club treasury funds as not worth the less than $300 debit. That is why I have joined Adrian in his funding proposal if the club chooses that route. The membership can make that determination. 

 

By-Laws revision and resolving the non-profit reinstatement quest is not a board decision, it?s a general club member decision.  Each one of us with a paid up membership has equal voting power and the right to bring up the 501 c3 reinstatement concern  or other in an open meeting.

 

I have no doubt there are current club members who are familiar and have experience with grants and grant writing. I have not personally written grants but have participated in supplying detailed information as requested by grant writers in a professional setting.  Additionally, I have participated in the process to maintain the grant parameters once received, in some cases writing summary statements as required, depending on the grant. I suspect any grant sought by the club would not require that kind of oversight. 

 

On a tangent and potential grant topic that includes WIT.  There currently are several women members in our local club. The AAW has a wonderful and growing WIT (Women in Turning) group. Overall, around 9-10% of turners are women and growing, but still greatly underrepresented. I believe women have a slightly different approach to design, technique and do wonderful creative work; think of Drozda, Scarpino, Dill, the Tiny Turner from the UK and many others.  The latest American Woodturner, October 2023, showcases women in turning. There is a rich history of women in turning wood, going way back. 

Wouldn?t be great for our club to have a local WIT group for those women interested in joining. There are AAW grants available that affiliate clubs can apply for, for WIT development within their clubs.  Our club could benefit from this as a real opportunity for CRW membership growth. 

 

Speaking of face-to-face discussions, I agree there is a need for member engagement on pertinent topics pertaining to maintaining a turning club in the face-to-face method.  We all understand that ?zoom? is a poor vehicle to conduct business for a volunteer operated type social or craft/artistic club. Our monthly club meetings are not ideal for in-depth group discussions.  I?ve heard from some, ?we come to meetings to see demos and socialize?. That?s true, but some mechanism is needed for in depth exploration if the CRW desires growth.  In my view, most of the zoom board meetings I?ve attended are not particularly productive and engaging. This tends to be true for many organizations, not just our club.   

 

 Sincerely,   -raasch

 

From: crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> On Behalf Of Robert Patros
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 10:36 AM
To: Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com>
Cc: Bobraasch2 <bobraasch2 at gmail.com>; Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners. <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
Subject: Re: [crw-talk] CRW By-Laws circa 2018, Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to the IRS to pursue non-profit status and Follow Up. And some visioning!

 

Here?s my two cents:

 

-I am not necessarily against reinstating. However, I would like to know that, after paying to do so, are there subsequent fees to stay active? And, is reinstating a membership vote or a board decision. 

 

-I?m not completely sure how this benefits the club and individual members. And, others might feel the same. This may have been discussed early on. I just don?t remember. I would appreciate some practical examples and believe it?s important to show the benefits now and in the future. 

 

-If the decision is made to  reinstate, I believe we need one or two members who know about such things as grants and other benefits to oversee the process with the board making final decisions. 

 

-And,  I agree with Aaron. If a decision is made to reinstate it should come out of the general fund. 

 

-For me, it?s difficult to do this by email when a face to face discussion would be best. I?ll leave it to the board to decide the process. 

 

All for now,

Bob Patros

 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Oct 18, 2023, at 10:05?AM, Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com <mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com> > wrote:

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My opinion ? 

Yes, reinstatement is worthwhile. 

NO to any special assessment. We have $3K+ bank balance. This gets paid from that general fund. 

 

 

Aaron Gesicki

 

 

 

From: Adrian Novak <adrian.novak at charter.net <mailto:adrian.novak at charter.net> > 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 8:27 PM
To: Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners. <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com <mailto:crw-talk at crwoodturner.com> >
Cc: Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com <mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com> >; Bobraasch2 <bobraasch2 at gmail.com <mailto:bobraasch2 at gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: [crw-talk] CRW By-Laws circa 2018, Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to the IRS to pursue non-profit status and Follow Up. And some visioning!

 

If the $275 is a problem I will make a 10% contribution. If 9 others match this amount. 

 

Adrian 

 

 

On Oct 17, 2023 at 8:08 PM, <Raaschb <mailto:raaschb at charter.net> > wrote:

Dear members,

Follow up on B-L?s and pursuance of 501 (c) (3) status.  Aaron opened the door in his recent newsletter, I just walked in and wrote yesterday?s piece.  

I?ve been informed by our club?s  previous president, Adrian,  there may be a process for reinstatement; some paperwork and a possible outlay of  about $275 required. Good news right?

 

I have included some detail here as the process may be less intimidating than our wild imaginations may think. Should the club decide reinstatement is positive for club growth, bringing forth opportunities for grants, etc., some work has already been done here, well ya now know where to start the process.   Kinda like the tree has been cut down, hauled to your shop, snow brushed off (yup that season justa round the corner), the bowl blanks prepared for your creative endeavor, right? I know it?s a stretch, but ya get my point!?

 

Some quick research on the IRS website, under form 2022-1 has a document titled Automatic Revocation ? How to Have your Tax-Exempt Status Reinstated. I?m not a tax lawyer, no surprise here,  and don?t even play one on TV, but it would appear that since the club?s tax-exempt status was automatically terminated more than 15 months ago for the reasons outline in my previous note, AND the club?s non-exempt status was not previously automatically terminated, the club may submit Form 2023 and  others, plus submission of $275, from the club?s treasury to Department of the Treasury, IRS, Ogden, UT. I?m sure the process is not quick and probably some hurry up and wait; we know govt wheels spin SLOWLY. 

 

Sure there?s a wee bit more, but, would be worth the effort if the collective membership view a tax exempt status as desirable.  Some helpful links for those interested: 

Form 2022-1  <https://www.irs.gov/irb/2022-01_IRB#REV-PROC-2022-1> Internal Revenue Bulletin: 2022-01 | Internal Revenue Service (irs.gov).   AND 

 <https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/automatic-revocation-how-to-have-your-tax-exempt-status-reinstated> Automatic Revocation - How to Have Your Tax-Exempt Status Reinstated | Internal Revenue Service (irs.gov)   .  

 

The actual procedure, outlined in Revenue Procedure 2014-11 explains the 4 procedures an organization may use to apply for reinstatement. 

A small committee of 2-3 can work thru this, I volunteer to join that group if formed.  

Thanks, Adrian, for forwarding this IRS information. 

 

The following article by AAW executive officer, Jennifer Newburg may speak to you, as it did to me this morning while reading at the coffee shop. While the article specifically addresses the AAW, we can imagine substituting the CRW for the AAW.  

If you?re an AAW member, this can be found in the American Woodturner, October 2023 issue.  IMHO  this message may speak to us, the collective CRW membership, as we look hopefully to 2024 as a chance to get back to our roots, but now move forward.  I?m convinced or at least hopeful; new leadership will lead the way, be engaged, be open, inclusive, listen to the voices, then act in an appropriate and responsible manner to  launch us forward.    

Regards,

CRW member Bob Raasch

 

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From: raaschb at charter.net <mailto:raaschb at charter.net>  <raaschb at charter.net <mailto:raaschb at charter.net> > 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 11:15 PM
To: 'Aaron Gesicki' <aaronagesicki at gmail.com <mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com> >; CRW-Talk at crwoodturner.com <mailto:CRW-Talk at crwoodturner.com> 
Cc: raaschb at charter.net <mailto:raaschb at charter.net> ; bobraasch2 at gmail.com <mailto:bobraasch2 at gmail.com> 
Subject: RE: CRW By-Laws circa 2018, Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to the IRS to pursue non-profit status

 

Dear fellow members, 

I am including important information pertaining to the topic, hoping some will read, reflect and possibly take notice. 

The substance of the official IRS correspondence to the club regarding non-profit status, is in the bottom half of this document. The By-Laws reflect parameters required for 501 c 3 status.

 

The Coulee Region Woodturning club leadership was apprised of the IRS requirements to maintain non-profit status many times over the course of the past year, WELL prior to the 3 year limit of failing to file the appropriate documentation.  Further, I?ve been assured that the IRS understands the problems that COVID has caused the country, that indeed, as for many organizations, correspondence between the Coulee Region Turning club and the IRS would have mitigated the termination of our non-profit status.  At this juncture, if non-profit status were to be sought,  reapplication would seem inevitable. 

 

Members, please note that much thought and work went into writing the club By-Laws to comply to the IRS guidelines for meeting nonprofit status. I was a board member at the time, and recall much discussion and had input as many others did as well,  AND,  the club membership voted to apply for this determination rendered by the IRS and allocating the required funding from the club treasury. The membership at that time, albeit prior to the COVID-19 shutdown and prolonged epidemic saw the value over the long haul of such a charitable non-profit designation. Of  minor benefits are a small tax break that may result in making charitable contributions. The larger benefit is applying for grant dollars, getting club programming into organizations that take 501 (c) (3) status. All these and more benefits could be realized. At that time of seeking non-profit status, the club was substantially abundant in membership size, growing and participating in several community engagement activities, was highly viable, and conducting programming which spoke to the club?s mission.  That was a time of great fun, satisfaction, collegial relationships and introducing the craft of woodturning  to many people, fairly young and mature alike. 

 

I don?t recall the specific club expenditure of funds, which were approved by membership, somewhere in the area of about possibly $600?  It is my view now and for some period now, that club leadership frittered this opportunity away by not filling out the ?simple? Form 990-EZ, essentially a post card, within 3 years of the IRS letter dated Sep 27, 2019.  To be sure, we know many organizations suffered during the COVID times. However, the club began meeting in person during the early part of 2021, I believe June at the Lion?s Shelter, next to the Onalaska Community Center, indeed outdoors,  and  even board meetings were conducted albeit over zoom.

 

I do not know or understand why the IRS correspondence lapse occurred ( there would be no cost other than a postage stamp),  but we all know the challenges and angst this lapse may have caused. If any of our personal household finances suffered an approx. $600 deficit,  our psyche would be affected as well as our financial bottom line. 

 

The meat of the IRS document that was returned to the club on about Sep 27, 2019 follows.

 

The latest By-Law?s were written Wed Apr 12, 2017 and sent to the IRS. 

If interested in the accuracy, see the posted a message to the CRW-Talk mailserver, located in the club electronic archive on April 12, 2017, 501 c 3 update.   ByLaw?s   <http://crwoodturner.com/pipermail/crw-talk_crwoodturner.com/> The crw-talk Archives (crwoodturner.com)

 

A rendering of the IRS document follows.

 

On Sep 27, 2019, the CRW  INC received notification, From Internal Revenue Service

PO Box 2508

Cincinnati, OH 54201

 

Public Charity Status: 509 (s) (2)

Form 990/999-EZ/900 -N-Required: YES

Effective date of Exemption: Sep 17, 2019

Contribution Deductibility: YES

Addendum Applies: NO

 

Department of Treasury 

Contract Telephone Number: 877 829 5500

Contact Person: Lee Crouch

CRW?s EIN: 82-1153646

 

The body of the letter informs us:  CRW INC is determined exempt from Federal Income Tax under Internal Revenue Code (IRC) Section 501 (C) (3).  Donors can deduct contributions they make to you under Internal Revenue Code IRC Section 170.

You?re also qualified to receive tax deductible bequests, devices, transfers or gifts under Section 2055, 2106, or 2522. This letter could help resolve questions on your exempt status. Please keep it for your records. 

Organizations exempt under IRC Section 501(c) (3) are further classified as either public charities or private foundations. We determined you?re a public charity under the IRC Section listed at the top of this letter. 

??..our records show you?re required to file an annual information return (Form 990 or Form 990-EZ) or electronic notice (Form 996-N, the e-Postcard. If you don?t file a required return or notice for three consecutive years, you?re exempt status will be automatically revoked.

 

If we indicated at the top of this letter that if an addendum applies, the enclosed addendum is an integral part of this letter

For important information about your responsibilities as ai tax-exempt organization, go to  <http://www.irs.gov/charities> www.irs.gov/charities. Enter 4221-PC in the search bar to view Publication 4221-PC, Compliance Guide for 501 (C) (3) Public Charities, which describes your recordkeeping, reporting and disclosures. 

 

Coulee Region Woodturners INC.

 

Sincerely,

Stephen???

Director, Exempt Organizations

Rulings and Agreements

 

End of IRS communication

 

I send this note to you, my fellow club members to make one last attempt to revive the vision that was integral to the club in the recent past. Seeking a non-profit status would indeed open many doors for club growth,  if the club desires growth. By not doing so,  those doors are closed.  

 

Sincerely,   

CRW Member Bob Raasch

 

 

From: Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com <mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com> > 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 2:00 PM
To: Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com <mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com> >
Subject: CRW By-Laws circa 2018

 

Please see attached. These will be discussed during the next CRW Meeting. Attendees will be asked for input. 

 

 

 

 

Aaron Gesicki

 

1317 Woodpark Road

Winona, MN 55987

 

507-615-0233  home

303-551-2450  cell

 

 

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From: raaschb at charter.net (raaschb at charter.net)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2023 11:15:37 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] CRW By-Laws circa 2018,
 Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to the IRS to pursue non-profit status and
 Follow Up. And some visioning!
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Bob and all,

Thank you for responding. I appreciate the opportunity for meaningful dialogue, either f2f (face to face) or even email, with its obvious quirks. Much prefer f2f, I do love caffeine shop chats.

 

Bob, you bring up, in my view ?participation? as a critical component for a viable club. We all appreciate that life challenges often cause detours on our travels.  Yup, for sure, ?in the past?, which I often refer as ?getting back to our roots? is really about honoring, celebrating our history, and using those experiences to forge ahead and grow.  It?s my dream for the club to move forward, grow, and become more diverse. If that dream is shared by membership, the ?key? is getting the word out and participation as we are able, in events outside the brick walls of Luther. 

You?ve mentioned such events from past, with a consistent participation by a variety of members. And yes, I?ve participated as well in many of those.  All of that was PC (pre-covid), which caused much damage to society in general. Our club did not come out unscathed.  

 

Many of those leaders/cheerleaders from PC are sadly no longer with us. Some of those still alive have moved on to other ventures, some may feel uncomfortable with the current direction of the club, and some have health challenges and can no longer join in.  I?m sure its complex!

 

Regarding the Luther school program, it has appeared to have fizzled. How much effort, for such a small return on investment?   Kids are busy; sports, academics, some shop classes (always were my fav as a youngster, cause I could make something). The KWIK and Ashley expansion grant will allow them to move the tech arts program forward into basic preparation for jobs in those industries. Woodturning would be very very small component if any in those industries. Parents joining kids in turning classes, maybe a pipe dream, I dunno. 

 

The good news. A core is still here, talking, thinking and doing. For Saturday events, demos have resumed, the recently reactivated and adequate AV system allows for real learning experiences from the monthly presentations, exhibit table exists, club challenges reactivated, collegiality happens, and coffee still flows.

 

The new slate of officers as nominated and if elected have an opportunity to listen, reflect, and engage membership, (as individuals are able) to participate in outreach opportunities. 

 

I did not know you and Aaron were over a 100 yrs, you guys look great, what?s in the fountain you?ve found? 

Seriously, the potential for those past type activities and beyond, exist going forward.  I can not to speak for Pam, but if elected to Program Chair, given latitude and a ?budget?, I?m quite confident she can pull together a ?small action team/ think tank? of interested individuals, call it whatever, to dream big, promote our club and line up potential outside of Luther demonstrations such as done in the past and beyond. I?d volunteer for that group as I am able.  Turners, and a couple of mini lathes (10? inchers) are needed to carry out those activities- that?s where club growth is so important.  The question for me is: what?s the best mechanism to achieve that goal? 

The AAW as a resource has many helpful ideas and resources to help clubs develop those mechanisms.

 

There are so many people in the Coulee region that have no idea a turning club exists. Promotion is key!   

 

In closing, lots of components needed for growth as many have mentioned over time.

In my view, one key component, but not the only, is reinstatement of the 501 c3 non-profit status. BTW, the AAW still our club listed as a non-profit, go figure.

 

Coffee anyone? Lemme know.

See ya Saturday.

 

Sincerely,   

bob raasch

 

 

 

 

From: crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> On Behalf Of Robert Patros
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2023 8:54 AM
To: Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners. <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
Cc: Bobraasch2 <bobraasch2 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [crw-talk] CRW By-Laws circa 2018, Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to the IRS to pursue non-profit status and Follow Up. And some visioning!

 

Bob,

 

Thanks for your thoughtful response. You addressed points I brought up as well as other important issues. 

 

I think that another important issue,  that I believe goes hand in hand, is the issue of participation. In the past, and maybe even now ( though I?m not sure) there was a core CRW group that participated in community events bringing the CRW members to demonstrate our work. For example, Norskedalen and other local arts and crafts events. Covid screwed things up! 

 

When I was on the program committee with Aaron about a 100 years ago, the czar had several who worked with him. I wonder if it would be useful to have several  members on that committee who would be responsible for soliciting and coordinating demonstrations in the region like the ones we usually participated in and possibly more. 

 

I hate to bring this up and it will be worded clumsily, so please forgive me if I offend anyone. I think the efforts  put into the Luther student population may have left our past efforts unintentionally by the wayside due to time constraints ( it?s hard to ask people to continuously give up their time for multiple events). And, given the low ( my understanding) Luther student participation on open shop nights , I wonder if another function for students would be better suited and accepted by the school. Though, I don?t know what that would be. 

 

These are my thoughts at a glance. I had been a participant in these community events the first 10-15 years of my membership, but admittedly have not been recently for personal reasons. 

 

I know we hate to take up meeting time with these discussions, but another reason to have a face to face?  

 

Bob Patros

 

 

 

 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Oct 19, 2023, at 12:17?AM, raaschb at charter.net <mailto:raaschb at charter.net>  wrote:

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I cannot answer your questions with great specificity, Bob. However, I will do my best.

 

There are definite benefits to having the club designated as a non-profit or 501 (c)(3) organization.  Some I?ve illustrated previously, and probably many others yet to be explored.   The tax break to individuals for donating items are probably minimal as tax laws have changed over time.  For club purchases, paying no taxes would be minimal benefit. Historically, the club does make significant purchases of large ticket items or take in receipts of large sums, way under the $50,000 IRS threshold. I don?t know in what category annual dues are pigeonholed.

 

Please know for example that entering some community wide venues are only open to non-profits with no entry fee. If a non-profit club desires entry, there may be fees. Also, some venues may only invite non-profit organizations.

 

IMHO, the potential for writing grant applications to grant offering organizations that have resources for non-profits only, is significant and may result in positive results.  For example, there has been some interest in improving the AV system to a digital format; cameras, sound, switcher, replacement monitors and such down the road.   Grant monies would be helpful for this endeavor. This is not currently a priority. 

I believe when applying for grants, a non-profit status as well as community engagement activities, such as the club?s ongoing wig stand project, turning with kids, demonstrations at community wide events are looked at favorably.  Many granting organizations only take applications from non-profits.  Also, there are, I believe community events that only showcase non-profit organizations. BTW, I just learned today there is a national wig stand project. Maybe in the same vein as the Beads of Courage and Empty Bowls projects as many clubs do.

 

Many, if not most turning clubs are designated as non-profit. Check out at random 10 turning clubs, I think you?ll find this true.

Also, seeking a 501 c 3 status is good for the long haul if the club members vision club growth over time. Many doors will be open. Recall that a one time in the recent past, our club around 100+/- members.

 

The maintenance of the 501 c 3 status once granted by the IRS has minimal requirements; requires an annual e-Postcard form submitted to the IRS. This is very doable; in most clubs, the president or treasurer does this annual task. I don?t believe there is a cost associated with the process, but could be wrong. 

 

At the risk of boring the readers, I include this excerpt from the IRS website.  ?Most small tax-exempt organizations that have an annual reporting requirement can satisfy the requirements by submitting Form 990-N, Electronic Notice (e-Postcard) for Tax-Exempt Organizations Not Required to File Form 990 or Form 990-EZ. Form 990-N is submitted electronically, there are no paper forms.

An organization eligible to submit Form 990-N can instead choose to file Form 990 or Form 990-EZ to satisfy its annual reporting requirement.

Small tax-exempt organizations generally are eligible to file Form 990-N to satisfy their annual reporting requirement if their annual gross receipts are normally $50,000 or less.?

Annual Electronic Filing Requirement for Small Exempt Organizations ? Form 990-N (e-Postcard) | Internal Revenue Service (irs.gov) <https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/annual-electronic-filing-requirement-for-small-exempt-organizations-form-990-n-e-postcard> 


The above would apply to the Coulee Region Woodturners.

I am not in disagreement with Aaron on the source of money to fund 501 c3 reinstatement,  but some may find using club treasury funds as not worth the less than $300 debit. That is why I have joined Adrian in his funding proposal if the club chooses that route. The membership can make that determination. 

 

By-Laws revision and resolving the non-profit reinstatement quest is not a board decision, it?s a general club member decision.  Each one of us with a paid up membership has equal voting power and the right to bring up the 501 c3 reinstatement concern  or other in an open meeting.

 

I have no doubt there are current club members who are familiar and have experience with grants and grant writing. I have not personally written grants but have participated in supplying detailed information as requested by grant writers in a professional setting.  Additionally, I have participated in the process to maintain the grant parameters once received, in some cases writing summary statements as required, depending on the grant. I suspect any grant sought by the club would not require that kind of oversight. 

 

On a tangent and potential grant topic that includes WIT.  There currently are several women members in our local club. The AAW has a wonderful and growing WIT (Women in Turning) group. Overall, around 9-10% of turners are women and growing, but still greatly underrepresented. I believe women have a slightly different approach to design, technique and do wonderful creative work; think of Drozda, Scarpino, Dill, the Tiny Turner from the UK and many others.  The latest American Woodturner, October 2023, showcases women in turning. There is a rich history of women in turning wood, going way back. 

Wouldn?t be great for our club to have a local WIT group for those women interested in joining. There are AAW grants available that affiliate clubs can apply for, for WIT development within their clubs.  Our club could benefit from this as a real opportunity for CRW membership growth. 

 

Speaking of face-to-face discussions, I agree there is a need for member engagement on pertinent topics pertaining to maintaining a turning club in the face-to-face method.  We all understand that ?zoom? is a poor vehicle to conduct business for a volunteer operated type social or craft/artistic club. Our monthly club meetings are not ideal for in-depth group discussions.  I?ve heard from some, ?we come to meetings to see demos and socialize?. That?s true, but some mechanism is needed for in depth exploration if the CRW desires growth.  In my view, most of the zoom board meetings I?ve attended are not particularly productive and engaging. This tends to be true for many organizations, not just our club.   

 

 Sincerely,   -raasch

 

From: crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com <mailto:crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> > On Behalf Of Robert Patros
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 10:36 AM
To: Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com <mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com> >
Cc: Bobraasch2 <bobraasch2 at gmail.com <mailto:bobraasch2 at gmail.com> >; Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners. <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com <mailto:crw-talk at crwoodturner.com> >
Subject: Re: [crw-talk] CRW By-Laws circa 2018, Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to the IRS to pursue non-profit status and Follow Up. And some visioning!

 

Here?s my two cents:

 

-I am not necessarily against reinstating. However, I would like to know that, after paying to do so, are there subsequent fees to stay active? And, is reinstating a membership vote or a board decision. 

 

-I?m not completely sure how this benefits the club and individual members. And, others might feel the same. This may have been discussed early on. I just don?t remember. I would appreciate some practical examples and believe it?s important to show the benefits now and in the future. 

 

-If the decision is made to  reinstate, I believe we need one or two members who know about such things as grants and other benefits to oversee the process with the board making final decisions. 

 

-And,  I agree with Aaron. If a decision is made to reinstate it should come out of the general fund. 

 

-For me, it?s difficult to do this by email when a face to face discussion would be best. I?ll leave it to the board to decide the process. 

 

All for now,

Bob Patros

 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Oct 18, 2023, at 10:05?AM, Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com <mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com> > wrote:

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My opinion ? 

Yes, reinstatement is worthwhile. 

NO to any special assessment. We have $3K+ bank balance. This gets paid from that general fund. 

 

 

Aaron Gesicki

 

 

 

From: Adrian Novak <adrian.novak at charter.net <mailto:adrian.novak at charter.net> > 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 8:27 PM
To: Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners. <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com <mailto:crw-talk at crwoodturner.com> >
Cc: Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com <mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com> >; Bobraasch2 <bobraasch2 at gmail.com <mailto:bobraasch2 at gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: [crw-talk] CRW By-Laws circa 2018, Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to the IRS to pursue non-profit status and Follow Up. And some visioning!

 

If the $275 is a problem I will make a 10% contribution. If 9 others match this amount. 

 

Adrian 

 

 

On Oct 17, 2023 at 8:08 PM, <Raaschb <mailto:raaschb at charter.net> > wrote:

Dear members,

Follow up on B-L?s and pursuance of 501 (c) (3) status.  Aaron opened the door in his recent newsletter, I just walked in and wrote yesterday?s piece.  

I?ve been informed by our club?s  previous president, Adrian,  there may be a process for reinstatement; some paperwork and a possible outlay of  about $275 required. Good news right?

 

I have included some detail here as the process may be less intimidating than our wild imaginations may think. Should the club decide reinstatement is positive for club growth, bringing forth opportunities for grants, etc., some work has already been done here, well ya now know where to start the process.   Kinda like the tree has been cut down, hauled to your shop, snow brushed off (yup that season justa round the corner), the bowl blanks prepared for your creative endeavor, right? I know it?s a stretch, but ya get my point!?

 

Some quick research on the IRS website, under form 2022-1 has a document titled Automatic Revocation ? How to Have your Tax-Exempt Status Reinstated. I?m not a tax lawyer, no surprise here,  and don?t even play one on TV, but it would appear that since the club?s tax-exempt status was automatically terminated more than 15 months ago for the reasons outline in my previous note, AND the club?s non-exempt status was not previously automatically terminated, the club may submit Form 2023 and  others, plus submission of $275, from the club?s treasury to Department of the Treasury, IRS, Ogden, UT. I?m sure the process is not quick and probably some hurry up and wait; we know govt wheels spin SLOWLY. 

 

Sure there?s a wee bit more, but, would be worth the effort if the collective membership view a tax exempt status as desirable.  Some helpful links for those interested: 

Form 2022-1  <https://www.irs.gov/irb/2022-01_IRB#REV-PROC-2022-1> Internal Revenue Bulletin: 2022-01 | Internal Revenue Service (irs.gov).   AND 

 <https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/automatic-revocation-how-to-have-your-tax-exempt-status-reinstated> Automatic Revocation - How to Have Your Tax-Exempt Status Reinstated | Internal Revenue Service (irs.gov)   .  

 

The actual procedure, outlined in Revenue Procedure 2014-11 explains the 4 procedures an organization may use to apply for reinstatement. 

A small committee of 2-3 can work thru this, I volunteer to join that group if formed.  

Thanks, Adrian, for forwarding this IRS information. 

 

The following article by AAW executive officer, Jennifer Newburg may speak to you, as it did to me this morning while reading at the coffee shop. While the article specifically addresses the AAW, we can imagine substituting the CRW for the AAW.  

If you?re an AAW member, this can be found in the American Woodturner, October 2023 issue.  IMHO  this message may speak to us, the collective CRW membership, as we look hopefully to 2024 as a chance to get back to our roots, but now move forward.  I?m convinced or at least hopeful; new leadership will lead the way, be engaged, be open, inclusive, listen to the voices, then act in an appropriate and responsible manner to  launch us forward.    

Regards,

CRW member Bob Raasch

 

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From: raaschb at charter.net <mailto:raaschb at charter.net>  <raaschb at charter.net <mailto:raaschb at charter.net> > 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 11:15 PM
To: 'Aaron Gesicki' <aaronagesicki at gmail.com <mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com> >; CRW-Talk at crwoodturner.com <mailto:CRW-Talk at crwoodturner.com> 
Cc: raaschb at charter.net <mailto:raaschb at charter.net> ; bobraasch2 at gmail.com <mailto:bobraasch2 at gmail.com> 
Subject: RE: CRW By-Laws circa 2018, Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to the IRS to pursue non-profit status

 

Dear fellow members, 

I am including important information pertaining to the topic, hoping some will read, reflect and possibly take notice. 

The substance of the official IRS correspondence to the club regarding non-profit status, is in the bottom half of this document. The By-Laws reflect parameters required for 501 c 3 status.

 

The Coulee Region Woodturning club leadership was apprised of the IRS requirements to maintain non-profit status many times over the course of the past year, WELL prior to the 3 year limit of failing to file the appropriate documentation.  Further, I?ve been assured that the IRS understands the problems that COVID has caused the country, that indeed, as for many organizations, correspondence between the Coulee Region Turning club and the IRS would have mitigated the termination of our non-profit status.  At this juncture, if non-profit status were to be sought,  reapplication would seem inevitable. 

 

Members, please note that much thought and work went into writing the club By-Laws to comply to the IRS guidelines for meeting nonprofit status. I was a board member at the time, and recall much discussion and had input as many others did as well,  AND,  the club membership voted to apply for this determination rendered by the IRS and allocating the required funding from the club treasury. The membership at that time, albeit prior to the COVID-19 shutdown and prolonged epidemic saw the value over the long haul of such a charitable non-profit designation. Of  minor benefits are a small tax break that may result in making charitable contributions. The larger benefit is applying for grant dollars, getting club programming into organizations that take 501 (c) (3) status. All these and more benefits could be realized. At that time of seeking non-profit status, the club was substantially abundant in membership size, growing and participating in several community engagement activities, was highly viable, and conducting programming which spoke to the club?s mission.  That was a time of great fun, satisfaction, collegial relationships and introducing the craft of woodturning  to many people, fairly young and mature alike. 

 

I don?t recall the specific club expenditure of funds, which were approved by membership, somewhere in the area of about possibly $600?  It is my view now and for some period now, that club leadership frittered this opportunity away by not filling out the ?simple? Form 990-EZ, essentially a post card, within 3 years of the IRS letter dated Sep 27, 2019.  To be sure, we know many organizations suffered during the COVID times. However, the club began meeting in person during the early part of 2021, I believe June at the Lion?s Shelter, next to the Onalaska Community Center, indeed outdoors,  and  even board meetings were conducted albeit over zoom.

 

I do not know or understand why the IRS correspondence lapse occurred ( there would be no cost other than a postage stamp),  but we all know the challenges and angst this lapse may have caused. If any of our personal household finances suffered an approx. $600 deficit,  our psyche would be affected as well as our financial bottom line. 

 

The meat of the IRS document that was returned to the club on about Sep 27, 2019 follows.

 

The latest By-Law?s were written Wed Apr 12, 2017 and sent to the IRS. 

If interested in the accuracy, see the posted a message to the CRW-Talk mailserver, located in the club electronic archive on April 12, 2017, 501 c 3 update.   ByLaw?s   <http://crwoodturner.com/pipermail/crw-talk_crwoodturner.com/> The crw-talk Archives (crwoodturner.com)

 

A rendering of the IRS document follows.

 

On Sep 27, 2019, the CRW  INC received notification, From Internal Revenue Service

PO Box 2508

Cincinnati, OH 54201

 

Public Charity Status: 509 (s) (2)

Form 990/999-EZ/900 -N-Required: YES

Effective date of Exemption: Sep 17, 2019

Contribution Deductibility: YES

Addendum Applies: NO

 

Department of Treasury 

Contract Telephone Number: 877 829 5500

Contact Person: Lee Crouch

CRW?s EIN: 82-1153646

 

The body of the letter informs us:  CRW INC is determined exempt from Federal Income Tax under Internal Revenue Code (IRC) Section 501 (C) (3).  Donors can deduct contributions they make to you under Internal Revenue Code IRC Section 170.

You?re also qualified to receive tax deductible bequests, devices, transfers or gifts under Section 2055, 2106, or 2522. This letter could help resolve questions on your exempt status. Please keep it for your records. 

Organizations exempt under IRC Section 501(c) (3) are further classified as either public charities or private foundations. We determined you?re a public charity under the IRC Section listed at the top of this letter. 

??..our records show you?re required to file an annual information return (Form 990 or Form 990-EZ) or electronic notice (Form 996-N, the e-Postcard. If you don?t file a required return or notice for three consecutive years, you?re exempt status will be automatically revoked.

 

If we indicated at the top of this letter that if an addendum applies, the enclosed addendum is an integral part of this letter

For important information about your responsibilities as ai tax-exempt organization, go to  <http://www.irs.gov/charities> www.irs.gov/charities. Enter 4221-PC in the search bar to view Publication 4221-PC, Compliance Guide for 501 (C) (3) Public Charities, which describes your recordkeeping, reporting and disclosures. 

 

Coulee Region Woodturners INC.

 

Sincerely,

Stephen???

Director, Exempt Organizations

Rulings and Agreements

 

End of IRS communication

 

I send this note to you, my fellow club members to make one last attempt to revive the vision that was integral to the club in the recent past. Seeking a non-profit status would indeed open many doors for club growth,  if the club desires growth. By not doing so,  those doors are closed.  

 

Sincerely,   

CRW Member Bob Raasch

 

 

From: Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com <mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com> > 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 2:00 PM
To: Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com <mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com> >
Subject: CRW By-Laws circa 2018

 

Please see attached. These will be discussed during the next CRW Meeting. Attendees will be asked for input. 

 

 

 

 

Aaron Gesicki

 

1317 Woodpark Road

Winona, MN 55987

 

507-615-0233  home

303-551-2450  cell

 

 

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> >   To:  Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners.  <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com (mailto:crw-talk at crwoodturner.com)>
> >   Cc:  Aaron Gesicki  <aaronagesicki at gmail.com (mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com)>; Bobraasch2  <bobraasch2 at gmail.com (mailto:bobraasch2 at gmail.com)>
> >   Subject:  Re: [crw-talk] CRW By-Laws circa 2018, Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to the IRS to pursue non-profit status and Follow Up. And some visioning!
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> > > Follow up on B-L?s and pursuance of 501 (c) (3) status.    Aaron opened the door in his recent newsletter, I just walked in and wrote yesterday?s piece.    
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> > > I?ve been informed by our club?s    previous president, Adrian,    there may be a process for reinstatement; some paperwork and a possible outlay of    about $275 required. Good news right?
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> > > I have included some detail here as the process may be less intimidating than our wild imaginations may think. Should the club decide reinstatement is positive for club growth, bringing forth opportunities for grants, etc., some work has already been done here, well ya now know where to start the process.      Kinda like the tree has been cut down, hauled to your shop, snow brushed off (yup that season justa round the corner), the bowl blanks prepared for  your  creative endeavor, right? I know it?s a stretch, but ya get my point!?
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> > > The following article by AAW executive officer, Jennifer Newburg may speak to you, as it did to me this morning while reading at the coffee shop. While the article specifically addresses the AAW, we can imagine substituting the CRW for the AAW.    
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> > >   To:  'Aaron Gesicki'  <aaronagesicki at gmail.com (mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com)>;  CRW-Talk at crwoodturner.com (mailto:CRW-Talk at crwoodturner.com)
> > >   Cc:   raaschb at charter.net (mailto:raaschb at charter.net);  bobraasch2 at gmail.com (mailto:bobraasch2 at gmail.com)
> > >   Subject:  RE: CRW By-Laws circa 2018, Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to the IRS to pursue non-profit status
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> > > The substance of the official IRS correspondence to the club regarding non-profit status, is in the bottom half of this document. The By-Laws reflect parameters required for 501 c 3 status.
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> > > The Coulee Region Woodturning club leadership was apprised of the IRS requirements to maintain non-profit status many times over the course of the past year,  WELL prior to the 3 year limit of failing to file the appropriate documentation.    Further, I?ve been assured that the IRS understands the problems that COVID has caused the country, that indeed, as for many organizations, correspondence between the Coulee Region Turning club and the IRS would have mitigated the termination of our non-profit status.    At this juncture, if non-profit status were to be sought,    reapplication would seem inevitable.
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> > > Members, please note that much thought and work went into writing the club By-Laws to comply to the IRS guidelines for meeting nonprofit status. I was a board member at the time, and recall much discussion and had input as many others did as well,    AND,    the club membership voted to apply for this determination rendered by the IRS and allocating the required funding from the club treasury. The membership at that time, albeit prior to the COVID-19 shutdown and prolonged epidemic saw the value over the long haul of such a charitable non-profit designation. Of    minor benefits are a small tax break that may result in making charitable contributions. The larger benefit is applying for grant dollars, getting club programming into organizations that take 501 (c) (3) status. All these and more benefits could be realized. At that time of seeking non-profit status, the club was substantially abundant in membership size, growing and participating in several community engagement activities, was highly viable, and conducting programming which spoke to the club?s mission.    That was a time of great fun, satisfaction, collegial relationships and introducing the craft of woodturning    to many people, fairly young and mature alike.
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> > > I don?t recall the specific club expenditure of funds, which were approved by membership, somewhere in the area of about possibly $600?    It is my view now and for some period now, that club leadership frittered this opportunity away by not filling out the ?simple? Form 990-EZ, essentially a post card, within 3 years of the IRS letter dated Sep 27, 2019.    To be sure, we know many organizations suffered during the COVID times. However, the club began meeting in person during the early part of 2021, I believe June at the Lion?s Shelter, next to the Onalaska Community Center, indeed outdoors,    and    even board meetings were conducted albeit over zoom.
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> > > The body of the letter informs us:    CRW INC is determined exempt from Federal Income Tax under Internal Revenue Code (IRC) Section 501 (C) (3).    Donors can deduct contributions they make to you under Internal Revenue Code IRC Section 170.
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> > > You?re also qualified to receive tax deductible bequests, devices, transfers or gifts under Section 2055, 2106, or 2522. This letter could help resolve questions on your exempt status. Please keep it for your records.
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> > > I send this note to you, my fellow club members to make  one last attempt  to revive the vision that was integral to the club in the recent past. Seeking a non-profit status would indeed open many doors for club growth,    if the club desires growth. By not doing so,    those doors are closed.   
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> > >   To:  Aaron Gesicki  <aaronagesicki at gmail.com (mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com)>
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From aamethesta at aol.com  Fri Oct 20 16:55:25 2023
From: aamethesta at aol.com (Pam Day)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2023 21:55:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [crw-talk] CRW By-Laws circa 2018,
 Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to the IRS to pursue non-profit status and
 Follow Up. And some visioning!
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Will be great and topped off with a cocoa pebbles fudge cake.? ?Thanks?

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From mogoldfish at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 20 21:43:58 2023
From: mogoldfish at yahoo.com (Kristine Clough)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2023 02:43:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [crw-talk] CRW By-Laws circa 2018,
 Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to the IRS to pursue non-profit status and
 Follow Up. And some visioning!
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 According to the information provided, we became eligible for 501(c)(3) on Sep 27, 2019.???Our revocation Date is 2/15/22.
We were posted on the list? on 5/11/22.
The end of October 2023 is the 15 month cutoff.??
Therefore, we will most likely have to follow Section 6.



Auto-Revocation List

Organizations whose federal tax exempt status was automatically revoked for not filing a Form 990-series return or notice for three consecutive years.?Important note: Just because an organization appears on this list, it does not mean the organization is currently revoked, as they may have been reinstated.

Exemption Type:?501(c)(3)

Exemption Reinstatement Date:

Revocation Date:?02-15-2022

Revocation Posting Date:?05-11-2022


CRW?s EIN: 82-1153646



Kris

    On Friday, October 20, 2023 at 04:50:45 PM CDT, Adrian Novak <adrian.novak at charter.net> wrote:  
 
 Have a great meeting tomorrow?



On Oct 19, 2023 at 12:17 AM, <Raaschb> wrote:



I cannot answer your questions with great specificity, Bob. However, I will do my best.

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There are definite benefits to having the club designated as a non-profit or 501 (c)(3) organization. ?Some I?ve illustrated previously, and probably many others yet to be explored.?? The tax break to individuals for donating items are probably minimal as tax laws have changed over time.? For club purchases, paying no taxes would be minimal benefit. Historically, the club does make significant purchases of large ticket items or take in receipts of large sums, way under the $50,000 IRS threshold. I don?t know in what category annual dues are pigeonholed.

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Please know for example that entering some community wide venues are only open to non-profits with no entry fee. If a non-profit club desires entry, there may be fees. Also, some venues may only invite non-profit organizations.

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IMHO, the potential for writing grant applications to grant offering organizations that have resources for non-profits only, is significant and may result in positive results.? For example, there has been some interest in improving the AV system to a digital format; cameras, sound, switcher, replacement monitors and such down the road.?? Grant monies would be helpful for this endeavor. This is not currently a priority. 

I believe when applying for grants, a non-profit status as well as community engagement activities, such as the club?s ongoing wig stand project, turning with kids, demonstrations at community wide events are looked at favorably. ?Many granting organizations only take applications from non-profits.? Also, there are, I believe community events that only showcase non-profit organizations. BTW, I just learned today there is a national wig stand project. Maybe in the same vein as the Beads of Courage and Empty Bowls projects as many clubs do.

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Many, if not most turning clubs are designated as non-profit. Check out at random 10 turning clubs, I think you?ll find this true.

Also, seeking a 501 c 3 status is good for the long haul if the club members vision club growth over time. Many doors will be open. Recall that a one time in the recent past, our club around 100+/- members.

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The maintenance of the 501 c 3 status once granted by the IRS has minimal requirements; requires an annual e-Postcard form submitted to the IRS. This is very doable; in most clubs, the president or treasurer does this annual task. I don?t believe there is a cost associated with the process, but could be wrong. 

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At the risk of boring the readers, I include this excerpt from the IRS website.? ?Most small tax-exempt organizations that have an annual reporting requirement can satisfy the requirements by submitting Form 990-N, Electronic Notice (e-Postcard) for Tax-Exempt Organizations Not Required to File Form 990 or Form 990-EZ. Form 990-N is submitted electronically, there are?no paper forms.

An organization eligible to submit Form 990-N can instead choose to file Form 990 or Form 990-EZ to satisfy its annual reporting requirement.

Small tax-exempt organizations generally are eligible to file Form 990-N to satisfy?their annual reporting requirement if?their annual gross receipts are normally $50,000 or less.?

Annual Electronic Filing Requirement for Small Exempt Organizations ? Form 990-N (e-Postcard) | Internal Revenue Service (irs.gov)


The above would apply to the Coulee Region Woodturners.

I am not in disagreement with Aaron on the source of money to fund 501 c3 reinstatement, ?but some may find using club treasury funds as not worth the less than $300 debit. That is why I have joined Adrian in his funding proposal if the club chooses that route. The membership can make that determination. 

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By-Laws revision and resolving the?non-profit reinstatement?quest is not a board decision, it?s a general club member decision.? Each one of us with a paid up membership has equal voting power and the right to bring up the 501 c3 reinstatement concern ?or other in an open meeting.

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I have no doubt there are current club members who are familiar and have experience with grants and grant writing. I have not personally written grants but have participated in supplying detailed information as requested by grant writers in a professional setting.? Additionally, I have participated in the process to maintain the grant parameters once received, in some cases writing summary statements as required, depending on the grant. I suspect any grant sought by the club would not require that kind of oversight. 

 ?

On a tangent and potential grant topic that includes WIT. ?There currently are several women members in our local club. The AAW has a wonderful and growing WIT (Women in Turning) group. Overall, around 9-10% of turners are women and growing, but still greatly underrepresented. I believe women have a slightly different approach to design, technique and do wonderful creative work; think of Drozda, Scarpino, Dill, the Tiny Turner from the UK and many others.? The latest American Woodturner, October 2023, showcases women in turning. There is a rich history of women in turning wood, going way back. 

Wouldn?t be great for our club to have a local WIT group for those women interested in joining. There are AAW grants available that affiliate clubs can apply for, for WIT development within their clubs. ?Our club could benefit from this as a real opportunity for CRW membership growth. 

 ?

Speaking of face-to-face discussions, I agree there is a need for member engagement on pertinent topics pertaining to maintaining a turning club in the face-to-face method. ?We all understand that ?zoom? is a poor vehicle to conduct business for a volunteer operated type social or craft/artistic club. Our monthly club meetings are not ideal for in-depth group discussions.? I?ve heard from some, ?we come to meetings to see demos and socialize?. That?s true, but some mechanism is needed for in depth exploration if the CRW desires growth. ?In my view, most of the zoom board meetings I?ve attended are not particularly productive and engaging. This tends to be true for many organizations, not just our club.?? 

 ?

?Sincerely,?? -raasch

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From: crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> On Behalf Of Robert Patros
Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2023 10:36 AM
To: Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com>
Cc: Bobraasch2 <bobraasch2 at gmail.com>; Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners. <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
Subject: Re: [crw-talk] CRW By-Laws circa 2018, Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to the IRS to pursue non-profit status and Follow Up. And some visioning!

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Here?s my two cents:

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-I am not necessarily against reinstating. However, I would like to know that, after paying to do so, are there subsequent fees to stay active? And, is reinstating a membership vote or a board decision.?

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-I?m not completely sure how this benefits the club and individual members. And, others might feel the same. This may have been discussed early on. I just don?t remember. I would appreciate some practical examples and believe it?s important to show the benefits now and in the future.?

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-If the decision is made to ?reinstate, I believe we need one or two members who know about such things as grants and other benefits to oversee the process with the board making final decisions.?

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-And, ?I agree with Aaron. If a decision is made to reinstate it should come out of the general fund.?

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-For me, it?s difficult to do this by email when a face to face discussion would be best. I?ll leave it to the board to decide the process.?

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All for now,

Bob Patros

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Sent from my iPhone

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On Oct 18, 2023, at 10:05?AM, Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com> wrote:



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My opinion ? 

Yes, reinstatement is worthwhile. 

NO to any special assessment. We have $3K+ bank balance. This gets paid from that general fund. 

?

?

Aaron Gesicki

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From: Adrian Novak <adrian.novak at charter.net> 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2023 8:27 PM
To: Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners. <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
Cc: Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com>; Bobraasch2 <bobraasch2 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [crw-talk] CRW By-Laws circa 2018, Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to the IRS to pursue non-profit status and Follow Up. And some visioning!

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If the $275 is a problem I will make a 10% contribution. If 9 others match this amount.?

?

Adrian?

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On Oct 17, 2023 at 8:08 PM, <Raaschb> wrote:

Dear members,

Follow up on B-L?s and pursuance of 501 (c) (3) status. ?Aaron opened the door in his recent newsletter, I just walked in and wrote yesterday?s piece. ?

I?ve been informed by our club?s ?previous president, Adrian, ?there may be a process for reinstatement; some paperwork and a possible outlay of? about $275 required. Good news right?

?

I have included some detail here as the process may be less intimidating than our wild imaginations may think. Should the club decide reinstatement is positive for club growth, bringing forth opportunities for grants, etc., some work has already been done here, well ya now know where to start the process. ??Kinda like the tree has been cut down, hauled to your shop, snow brushed off (yup that season justa round the corner), the bowl blanks prepared for your creative endeavor, right? I know it?s a stretch, but ya get my point!?

?

Some quick research on the IRS website, under form 2022-1 has a document titled Automatic Revocation ? How to Have your Tax-Exempt Status Reinstated. I?m not a tax lawyer, no surprise here, ?and don?t even play one on TV, but it would appear that since the club?s tax-exempt status was automatically terminated more than 15 months ago for the reasons outline in my previous note, AND the club?s non-exempt status was not previously automatically terminated, the club may submit Form 2023 and ?others, plus submission of $275, from the club?s treasury to Department of the Treasury, IRS, Ogden, UT. I?m sure the process is not quick and probably some hurry up and wait; we know govt wheels spin SLOWLY. 

?

Sure there?s a wee bit more, but, would be worth the effort if the collective membership view a tax exempt status as desirable. ?Some helpful links for those interested: 

Form 2022-1 Internal Revenue Bulletin: 2022-01 | Internal Revenue Service (irs.gov). ??AND 

Automatic Revocation - How to Have Your Tax-Exempt Status Reinstated | Internal Revenue Service (irs.gov)?? .? 

?

The actual procedure, outlined in Revenue Procedure 2014-11 explains the 4 procedures an organization may use to apply for reinstatement. 

A small committee of 2-3 can work thru this, I volunteer to join that group if formed. ?

Thanks, Adrian, for forwarding this IRS information. 

?

The following article by AAW executive officer, Jennifer Newburg may speak to you, as it did to me this morning while reading at the coffee shop. While the article specifically addresses the AAW, we can imagine substituting the CRW for the AAW. ?

If you?re an AAW member, this can be found in the American Woodturner, October 2023 issue. ?IMHO ?this message may speak to us, the collective CRW membership, as we look hopefully to 2024 as a chance to get back to our roots, but now move forward. ?I?m convinced or at least hopeful; new leadership will lead the way, be engaged, be open, inclusive, listen to the voices, then act in an appropriate and responsible manner to ?launch us forward. ???

Regards,

CRW member Bob Raasch

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From: raaschb at charter.net <raaschb at charter.net> 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 11:15 PM
To: 'Aaron Gesicki' <aaronagesicki at gmail.com>; CRW-Talk at crwoodturner.com
Cc: raaschb at charter.net; bobraasch2 at gmail.com
Subject: RE: CRW By-Laws circa 2018, Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to the IRS to pursue non-profit status

?

Dear fellow members, 

I am including important information pertaining to the topic, hoping some will read, reflect and possibly take notice. 

The substance of the official IRS correspondence to the club regarding non-profit status, is in the bottom half of this document. The By-Laws reflect parameters required for 501 c 3 status.

?

The Coulee Region Woodturning club leadership was apprised of the IRS requirements to maintain non-profit status many times over the course of the past year, WELL prior to the 3 year limit of failing to file the appropriate documentation. ?Further, I?ve been assured that the IRS understands the problems that COVID has caused the country, that indeed, as for many organizations, correspondence between the Coulee Region Turning club and the IRS would have mitigated the termination of our non-profit status. ?At this juncture, if non-profit status were to be sought, ?reapplication would seem inevitable. 

?

Members, please note that much thought and work went into writing the club By-Laws to comply to the IRS guidelines for meeting nonprofit status. I was a board member at the time, and recall much discussion and had input as many others did as well, ?AND, ?the club membership voted to apply for this determination rendered by the IRS and allocating the required funding from the club treasury. The membership at that time, albeit prior to the COVID-19 shutdown and prolonged epidemic saw the value over the long haul of such a charitable non-profit designation. Of ?minor benefits are a small tax break that may result in making charitable contributions. The larger benefit is applying for grant dollars, getting club programming into organizations that take 501 (c) (3) status. All these and more benefits could be realized. At that time of seeking non-profit status, the club was substantially abundant in membership size, growing and participating in several community engagement activities, was highly viable, and conducting programming which spoke to the club?s mission.? That was a time of great fun, satisfaction, collegial relationships and introducing the craft of woodturning? to many people, fairly young and mature alike. 

?

I don?t recall the specific club expenditure of funds, which were approved by membership, somewhere in the area of about possibly $600? ?It is my view now and for some period now, that club leadership frittered this opportunity away by not filling out the ?simple? Form 990-EZ, essentially a post card, within 3 years of the IRS letter dated Sep 27, 2019.? To be sure, we know many organizations suffered during the COVID times. However, the club began meeting in person during the early part of 2021, I believe June at the Lion?s Shelter, next to the Onalaska Community Center, indeed outdoors, ?and ?even board meetings were conducted albeit over zoom.

?

I do not know or understand why the IRS correspondence lapse occurred ( there would be no cost other than a postage stamp), ?but we all know the challenges and angst this lapse may have caused. If any of our personal household finances suffered an approx. $600 deficit, ?our psyche would be affected as well as our financial bottom line. 

?

The meat of the IRS document that was returned to the club on about Sep 27, 2019 follows.

?

The latest By-Law?s were written Wed Apr 12, 2017 and sent to the IRS. 

If interested in the accuracy, see the posted a message to the CRW-Talk mailserver, located in the club electronic archive on April 12, 2017, 501 c 3 update. ??ByLaw?s? The crw-talk Archives (crwoodturner.com)

?

A rendering of the IRS document follows.

?

On Sep 27, 2019, the CRW ?INC received notification, From Internal Revenue Service

PO Box 2508

Cincinnati, OH 54201

?

Public Charity Status: 509 (s) (2)

Form 990/999-EZ/900 -N-Required: YES

Effective date of Exemption: Sep 17, 2019

Contribution Deductibility: YES

Addendum Applies: NO

?

Department of Treasury 

Contract Telephone Number: 877 829 5500

Contact Person: Lee Crouch



?

The body of the letter informs us: ?CRW INC is determined exempt from Federal Income Tax under Internal Revenue Code (IRC) Section 501 (C) (3).? Donors can deduct contributions they make to you under Internal Revenue Code IRC Section 170.

You?re also qualified to receive tax deductible bequests, devices, transfers or gifts under Section 2055, 2106, or 2522. This letter could help resolve questions on your exempt status. Please keep it for your records. 

Organizations exempt under IRC Section 501(c) (3) are further classified as either public charities or private foundations. We determined you?re a public charity under the IRC Section listed at the top of this letter. 

??..our records show you?re required to file an annual information return (Form 990 or Form 990-EZ) or electronic notice (Form 996-N, the e-Postcard. If you don?t file a required return or notice for three consecutive years, you?re exempt status will be automatically revoked.

?

If we indicated at the top of this letter that if an addendum applies, the enclosed addendum is an integral part of this letter

For important information about your responsibilities as ai tax-exempt organization, go to www.irs.gov/charities. Enter 4221-PC in the search bar to view Publication 4221-PC, Compliance Guide for 501 (C) (3) Public Charities, which describes your recordkeeping, reporting and disclosures. 

?

Coulee Region Woodturners INC.

?

Sincerely,

Stephen???

Director, Exempt Organizations

Rulings and Agreements

?

End of IRS communication

?

I send this note to you, my fellow club members to make one last attempt to revive the vision that was integral to the club in the recent past. Seeking a non-profit status would indeed open many doors for club growth, ?if the club desires growth. By not doing so, ?those doors are closed.? 

?

Sincerely,?? 

CRW Member Bob Raasch

?

?

From: Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 2:00 PM
To: Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com>
Subject: CRW By-Laws circa 2018

?

Please see attached. These will be discussed during the next CRW Meeting. Attendees will be asked for input. 

?

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?

Aaron Gesicki

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1317 Woodpark Road

Winona, MN 55987

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507-615-0233? home

303-551-2450? cell

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From aamethesta at aol.com  Sat Oct 21 15:45:11 2023
From: aamethesta at aol.com (Pam Day)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2023 20:45:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [crw-talk] Chippewa Valley Woodturners  Open House
References: <1263309162.637361.1697921111231.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1263309162.637361.1697921111231@mail.yahoo.com>

Anyone interested in going for a visit after first of year??
Chippewa Valley Woodturners
Open House is the 2nd Saturday of the month? 8:00AM ? 12:00
Masks OPTIONAL and Vaccinations suggested.
If coming after 10:00 please inform us through email the night before at:
woodturnercvwg at gmail.com

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From raaschb at charter.net  Sat Oct 21 22:18:01 2023
From: raaschb at charter.net (raaschb at charter.net)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2023 22:18:01 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] CRW By-Laws circa 2018,
 Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to the IRS to pursue non-profit status and
 Follow Up. And some visioning! NOW Possible Non-Profit Reinstatement
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAA9V6zNnWQpGgQZ6htmKX18BAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAAB5dPwSBhHsQIy3Yoh0HLUxAQAAAAA=@charter.net>

Aaron, am hoping you can post this to the newsletter email list. Thx.

 

I saw this posting from Kristine Clough this evening on the CRW talk mail
server archives. I am still not RELIABIBLY receiving email from CRW talk.
Maybe I'm the only one, dunno.

 

>From Kris's server email: According to the information provided, we became
eligible for 501(c)(3) on Sep 27, 2019. Bob's add, true, received by the CRW
on this date, 9-27-2017.

   

Our revocation Date is 2/15/22.

We were posted on the list  on 5/11/22.(IRS list)

The end of October 2023 is the 15 month cutoff.  

Therefore, we will most likely have to follow Section 6.

 

Auto-Revocation List

 

Organizations whose federal tax exempt status was automatically revoked for
not filing a Form 990-series return or notice for three consecutive years.
Important note: Just because an organization appears on this list, it does
not mean the organization is currently revoked, as they may have been
reinstated.  

Bob,s add- as far as I know, the club has not sent forward any request for
reinstatement.  If the club president or treasurer has sent in the required
data, please inform the membership. 

 

Exemption Type: 501(c)(3)

 

Exemption Reinstatement Date:

 

Revocation Date: 02-15-2022

 

Revocation Posting Date: 05-11-2022

 

 

CRW's EIN: 82-1153646

 

Kris, 

I want to thank you so very much for sleuthing thru the IRS site and meeting
for coffee to discuss the possibility of possible reinstatement process. 

The reinstatement can still be sought after under the 15 month rule, if data
submitted by end of this month (Oct, 31,2023).  Not a gold rush find, but
close if we take advantage of the opportunity afforded by the IRS.

 

To the membership, to be exact, the 501 (c)(3) IRS designation exemption was
initially granted to Coulee Region Woodturners, INC on September 17, 2019,
notification to club (Coulee Region Woodturners, INC)  received on 9-27-2017
letter 947.

I am attaching the official IRS revocation, that same exact data Kris
details in her email from the IRS website, under Tax Exempt Organization
Search, saved as a pdf. 

 

For those who may be interested, this IRS link
https://acrobat.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:sc:VA6C2:d1a55c1a-48e8-4a9f-85e0-54409
12dc59f   provides the roadmap document to follow, IF the  club membership
desires non-profit status as several members have lobbied for. To reiterate,
there are many benefits, some of which would be enjoyed down the road as the
club moves forward in growth and participates in community engagement
activities that show the local population what this club has to offer, much
of which have been previously discussed over the course of the last several
months.

I might add, club membership in 2017 felt the non-profits status worthwhile,
approved expenditure of significant treasury dollars in the effort,  and
lots of work was done by immediate past president Adrian Novak on behalf of
the club to make this happen. 

I have not digested the contents of this IRS document, find it difficult to
fully understand. If anyone in the club has expertise in IRS speak or has
expertise in maintaining a 501 (c)(3), status, please, join the fray.

 

*******To be clear, as a member in legal good standing, I am requesting the
CRW board call an emergency meeting ASAP, and of course invite the
membership at large as well as is prudent and customary.  Due to time
constraints, a zoom meeting has the most logic, even though face to face
would be more appropriate.   As the mailserver can not be relied on, please
consider sending the notice thru the Newsletter subscriber list and the
mailserver,  CRW-talk at woodturner.com. 

Special meeting provision is specified in the club's ByLaws, Article VIII,
meetings. 

 

Agenda: discuss the current 501 c 3 status, solicit the club members pulse
on this, accept a motion  from the floor to either seek non-profit status
reinstatement or let it die.  *******  

 

If decision at this emergency meeting is made to seek reinstatement, some
overtime efforts are needed to meet the deadline of October 31, 2023. Know,
there is no guarantee the IRS will reinstate the status. 

If club membership desires reinstatement, the club needs to identify
legitimate reasons the club has not adhered to require IRS parameters to
maintain the status. As stated in the past, only an E-post card was required
annually to maintain non-profit status. Club treasury data for the last 3
years will likely be required in addition to other data as requested.  

Please know, the Covid 19 country wide shut may have had some significant
impact on the initial lapse, but we are well beyond the Covid 19 effect, to
blame the club's noncompliance on.  

 

Sincerely,  

Bob Raasch, member Coulee Region Woodturners. 

 

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From aamethesta at aol.com  Fri Oct 27 20:22:22 2023
From: aamethesta at aol.com (Pam Day)
Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2023 01:22:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [crw-talk] =?utf-8?q?turning_a_r=C3=A4uchermann?=
References: <1910403636.79271.1698456142534.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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I am looking for someone to demonstrate?turning a r?uchermann to the club.

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From aaronagesicki at gmail.com  Sun Oct 29 00:58:39 2023
From: aaronagesicki at gmail.com (Aaron Gesicki)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2023 00:58:39 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] =?utf-8?q?turning_a_r=C3=A4uchermann?=
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Never having seen one [I had to google it], I have no suggestions. 
 
 
Aaron Gesicki
 
 
 
From: crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> On Behalf Of Pam Day
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 8:22 PM
To: Cwc <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
Subject: [crw-talk] turning a r?uchermann
 
I am looking for someone to demonstrate turning a r?uchermann to the club.
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From raaschb at charter.net  Mon Oct 30 09:21:09 2023
From: raaschb at charter.net (raaschb at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2023 09:21:09 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] =?utf-8?q?turning_a_r=C3=A4uchermann?=
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Somone did an expose on this cool burner. It would have been in the American Woodturner periodical or Woodturning (UK) last year or so. 

I think it has some whimsical attributes,  probably an old European tradition -possibly German.?

-raasch

 

From: crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> On Behalf Of Aaron Gesicki
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2023 12:59 AM
To: 'Pam Day' <aamethesta at aol.com>; 'Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners.' <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
Subject: Re: [crw-talk] turning a r?uchermann

 

Never having seen one [I had to google it], I have no suggestions. 

 

 

Aaron Gesicki

 

 

 

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Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 8:22 PM
To: Cwc <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com <mailto:crw-talk at crwoodturner.com> >
Subject: [crw-talk] turning a r?uchermann

 

I am looking for someone to demonstrate turning a r?uchermann to the club.

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From griff at mwt.net  Mon Oct 30 14:43:26 2023
From: griff at mwt.net (griff)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2023 14:43:26 -0500
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Gee Pam, maybe you could do a bit of research then demo that yourself. 
(But if you would build it to smoke a little bud, well, maybe that topic 
would not be so well received at LHS.)? Maybe I sound like I am 
volunteering (not) but you could also have someone do a shot glass 
demo.? End grain white oak would be the appropriate wood for that.? Then 
a field test with a good single malt...j

On 10/30/23 9:21 AM, raaschb at charter.net wrote:
>
> Somone did an expose on this cool burner. It would have been in the 
> American Woodturner periodical or Woodturning (UK) last year or so.
>
> I think it has some whimsical attributes, probably an old European 
> tradition -possibly German.?
>
> -raasch
>
> *From:* crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> *On Behalf Of 
> *Aaron Gesicki
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 29, 2023 12:59 AM
> *To:* 'Pam Day' <aamethesta at aol.com>; 'Membership mailing list for the 
> AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners.' <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [crw-talk] turning a r?uchermann
>
> *Never having seen one [I had to google it], I have no suggestions. *
>
> **
>
> *Aaron Gesicki*
>
> **
>
> *From:* crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com 
> <mailto:crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com>> *On Behalf Of *Pam Day
> *Sent:* Friday, October 27, 2023 8:22 PM
> *To:* Cwc <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com <mailto:crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>>
> *Subject:* [crw-talk] turning a r?uchermann
>
> I am looking for someone to demonstrate?turning a r?uchermann to the club.
>
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From aamethesta at aol.com  Mon Oct 30 16:33:18 2023
From: aamethesta at aol.com (Pam Day)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2023 21:33:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [crw-talk] =?utf-8?q?turning_a_r=C3=A4uchermann?=
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Would tequila work with oak?

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From raaschb at charter.net  Mon Oct 30 19:09:35 2023
From: raaschb at charter.net (raaschb at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2023 19:09:35 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] =?utf-8?q?turning_a_r=C3=A4uchermann?=
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We?re not livin on the edge? That?s no fun.   Multiple small type goblets and or small drinking vessels?  Glenfiddich 12 or 18 or Old Pulteney may be an appropriate spirit, justa a wee dram, however.   I made the attached for some folks to hold that wee dram, single malt only. Less than 1? hi X 1/2 diam....b

 

 

From: crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> On Behalf Of griff
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2023 2:43 PM
To: crw-talk at crwoodturner.com
Subject: Re: [crw-talk] turning a r?uchermann

 

Gee Pam, maybe you could do a bit of research then demo that yourself. (But if you would build it to smoke a little bud, well, maybe that topic would not be so well received at LHS.)  Maybe I sound like I am volunteering (not) but you could also have someone do a shot glass demo.  End grain white oak would be the appropriate wood for that.  Then a field test with a good single malt...j

On 10/30/23 9:21 AM, raaschb at charter.net <mailto:raaschb at charter.net>  wrote:

Somone did an expose on this cool burner. It would have been in the American Woodturner periodical or Woodturning (UK) last year or so. 

I think it has some whimsical attributes,  probably an old European tradition -possibly German.?

-raasch

 

From: crw-talk  <mailto:crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> On Behalf Of Aaron Gesicki
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2023 12:59 AM
To: 'Pam Day'  <mailto:aamethesta at aol.com> <aamethesta at aol.com>; 'Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners.'  <mailto:crw-talk at crwoodturner.com> <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
Subject: Re: [crw-talk] turning a r?uchermann

 

Never having seen one [I had to google it], I have no suggestions. 

 

 

Aaron Gesicki

 

 

 

From: crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com <mailto:crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> > On Behalf Of Pam Day
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 8:22 PM
To: Cwc <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com <mailto:crw-talk at crwoodturner.com> >
Subject: [crw-talk] turning a r?uchermann

 

I am looking for someone to demonstrate turning a r?uchermann to the club.

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From raaschb at charter.net  Mon Oct 30 21:30:56 2023
From: raaschb at charter.net (raaschb at charter.net)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2023 21:30:56 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] CRW By-Laws circa 2018,
 Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to the IRS to pursue non-profit status and
 Follow Up. And some visioning! NOW Possible Non-Profit Reinstatement
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This correspondence refers to email sent to club membership through CRW talk
on Saturday, Oct 22 regarding the subject topic.

 

The board president chose not to call a special board meeting as I requested
on this date, and as specified in the By-Laws, Article VIII with the
specified Agenda topic on Oct 22, 2023.

 

And, as the 15 month possible non-profit reinstatement date ruling by the
IRS expires at midnight 10-31-2023, (that's tomorrow evening) I hereby
withdraw/cancel my future 10% contribution to the cause to help cover the
possible $275.00 US that may be required. There simply is no time left to
petition or fill out reinstatement forms by 10-31-23 and send to the IRS for
reinstatement of the non-profit status. 

 

If the membership missed that email , you can find it on the club email
archive at  [crw-talk] CRW By-Laws circa 2018, Now By-LAWS 2017 as sent to
the IRS to pursue non-profit status and Follow Up. And some visioning! NOW
Possible Non-Profit Reinstatement (crwoodturner.com)
<http://crwoodturner.com/pipermail/crw-talk_crwoodturner.com/2023-October/00
4525.html> . Also see email from A Novak on 10-17-23 (8:30 pm), from B
Raasch on 10-17-23  (8:33pm), pertaining to financial contributions to this
cause. 

 

FYI to access info within the archive, follow this link  The crw-talk
Archives (crwoodturner.com)
<http://crwoodturner.com/pipermail/crw-talk_crwoodturner.com/>    The
archives capture all email  thru the server from Aug 2009 thru current date.

 

Be it known the Coulee Region Woodturners is NOT a non-profit 501 (C) (3)
organization. No grants of any kind for non-profit organizations would be
accepted if applied for.  

 

The AAW continues to list the CRW as a non-profit organization (501 (c) (3)
as of this writing. 

 

However, Lots of good things in the CRW hopper for 2024. Now moving forward!


 

Thank you, 

-raasch

 

 

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From aamethesta at aol.com  Tue Oct 31 17:37:24 2023
From: aamethesta at aol.com (Pam Day)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2023 22:37:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [crw-talk] Demonstrators needed
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I am looking for a few people to give demonstrations at a few months.
If you got it and not are afraid to show it please let me know.?
Jan, Feb, and March 2024
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From aaronagesicki at gmail.com  Tue Oct 31 20:49:57 2023
From: aaronagesicki at gmail.com (Aaron Gesicki)
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2023 20:49:57 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Demonstrators needed
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I?m in.
 
 
Aaron Gesicki
 
 
 
From: crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> On Behalf Of Pam Day
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2023 5:37 PM
To: Cwc <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
Subject: [crw-talk] Demonstrators needed
 

I am looking for a few people to give demonstrations at a few months.
 
If you got it and not are afraid to show it please let me know. 
 
Jan, Feb, and March 2024
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