From aamethesta at aol.com  Sun Jun  4 20:06:56 2023
From: aamethesta at aol.com (Pam Day)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2023 01:06:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [crw-talk] Can we organize a road trip?
References: <1814352881.428031.1685927216199.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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https://midwesttradeshow.com/


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From marine9096 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 10:21:11 2023
From: marine9096 at gmail.com (James Bloomer)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 10:21:11 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Board meeting 8 June
Message-ID: <CAGK6+hCPWQtzjdgpoBX=TiM9oCYii93NujqSVtn9+wnp358yhQ@mail.gmail.com>

Board meeting to discuss survey, continued discussion on non profit, and
general upcoming club events





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From aamethesta at aol.com  Wed Jun  7 18:18:23 2023
From: aamethesta at aol.com (Pam Day)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 23:18:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [crw-talk] Any interest
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Is there any interest in seeing if the Pumphouse in LaCrosse would be interested in a woodturning exhibition??

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From EganR at westerntc.edu  Wed Jun  7 20:46:09 2023
From: EganR at westerntc.edu (Egan, Richard)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 01:46:09 +0000
Subject: [crw-talk] Any interest
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We did one probably 15 years ago or more. We had great participation.  The pump house said it was their biggest opening reception ever.



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone



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Date: 6/7/23 6:18 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: crw-talk at crwoodturner.com
Subject: [crw-talk] Any interest

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Is there any interest in seeing if the Pumphouse in LaCrosse would be interested in a woodturning exhibition?

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From aaronagesicki at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 21:12:52 2023
From: aaronagesicki at gmail.com (Aaron Gesicki)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 21:12:52 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Any interest
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References: <1301963008.1000481.1686179903254.ref@mail.yahoo.com>	<1301963008.1000481.1686179903254@mail.yahoo.com>
	<BN7PR03MB3699B24AF4B873120C11AC02A450A@BN7PR03MB3699.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
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I remember. I was there. Sold several pieces
of my work at or as a result of this event.
It was a great event. 
 
 
Aaron Gesicki
 
 
 
From: crw-talk
<crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> On
Behalf Of Egan, Richard
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 8:46 PM
To: Pam Day <aamethesta at aol.com>; Membership
mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee
Region Woodturners.
<crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
Subject: Re: [crw-talk] Any interest
 
We did one probably 15 years ago or more. We
had great participation.  The pump house
said it was their biggest opening reception
ever.
 
 
 
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy
smartphone
 
 
 
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Date: 6/7/23 6:18 PM (GMT-06:00) 
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Subject: [crw-talk] Any interest 
 
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Is there any interest in seeing if the
Pumphouse in LaCrosse would be interested in
a woodturning exhibition? 
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From rjpatros05 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 22:33:47 2023
From: rjpatros05 at gmail.com (Robert Patros)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 22:33:47 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Any interest
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From cswoodworking at charter.net  Thu Jun  8 03:49:39 2023
From: cswoodworking at charter.net (Jim Cox)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 03:49:39 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Any interest
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I think it would be a great idea, when I put on a show there for the woodturning group, I also included many furniture pieces when I had my business. They advertised it well and we had many people show up for the opening night and the month that everything was displayed. 
I would recommend on talking to them and getting on the list, It might take a good year or more to have the display/show,  if anything try to have the show in the late fall to winter time, you will have more people attend rather then the Summer months, but it is up to them also. They will take a percentage of sales and as I remember right it was a big percentage, but they have to pay to keep the lights on also, so mark up your pieces to cover yourself.

Jim Cox









Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Robert Patros
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 10:34 PM
To: Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners.
Subject: Re: [crw-talk] Any interest

That was a great event. I had just started with the club and was able to display one of my pieces. It was really gratifying for me. All members were asked to display their work if they wanted to.?
Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 7, 2023, at 9:12 PM, Aaron Gesicki <aaronagesicki at gmail.com> wrote:
?
I remember. I was there. Sold several pieces of my work at or as a result of this event. It was a great event. 
?
?
Aaron Gesicki
?
?
?
From: crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> On Behalf Of Egan, Richard
Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 8:46 PM
To: Pam Day <aamethesta at aol.com>; Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners. <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
Subject: Re: [crw-talk] Any interest
?
We did one probably 15 years ago or more. We had great participation.? The pump house said it was their biggest opening reception ever.
?
?
?
Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
?
?
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From: Pam Day <aamethesta at aol.com> 
Date: 6/7/23 6:18 PM (GMT-06:00) 
To: crw-talk at crwoodturner.com 
Subject: [crw-talk] Any interest 
?
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Is there any interest in seeing if the Pumphouse in LaCrosse would be interested in a woodturning exhibition??
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From marine9096 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 13 09:34:59 2023
From: marine9096 at gmail.com (James Bloomer)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2023 09:34:59 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Survey to help improve the club
Message-ID: <CAGK6+hBnwJr00Dj1wGB5VECm-UMkrPpHKYEoXE5g0CR=LaAudw@mail.gmail.com>

Good morning, we as a board would like to get your opinion on the club and
ways to improve engagement by the members. We have made an online survey.
If you would take a moment to fill it out. Your answers will be anonymous
Thank you for your time on this.

https://freeonlinesurveys.com/s/0eIHsgrh

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From marine9096 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 13 09:57:50 2023
From: marine9096 at gmail.com (James Bloomer)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2023 09:57:50 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Survey to help improve the club
In-Reply-To: <CAGK6+hBnwJr00Dj1wGB5VECm-UMkrPpHKYEoXE5g0CR=LaAudw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGK6+hBnwJr00Dj1wGB5VECm-UMkrPpHKYEoXE5g0CR=LaAudw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGK6+hAi_z80PL0f92qgbXg3K4OdU14QKO_7TzH5oWVHXKCzag@mail.gmail.com>

One additional request. Please do not reply to the original email. So we
don't bury the link in all of the replies.

Many thanks

On Tue, Jun 13, 2023, 09:34 James Bloomer <marine9096 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Good morning, we as a board would like to get your opinion on the club and
> ways to improve engagement by the members. We have made an online survey.
> If you would take a moment to fill it out. Your answers will be anonymous
> Thank you for your time on this.
>
> https://freeonlinesurveys.com/s/0eIHsgrh
>
> --
> In Service
> James A. Bloomer
>
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From raaschb at charter.net  Fri Jun 16 13:36:33 2023
From: raaschb at charter.net (raaschb at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2023 13:36:33 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Wig Stands
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAJrZKHWl5S5NmDgowOm0WU0BAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAADiBJot3zxgSKT5m9O11TY1AQAAAAA=@charter.net>

Hi All, 

Delivered 24 wig stands to Gundersen today, 6 to Mayo Cancer Center
yesterday.

Thus far 153 stands have been collected & delivered to local medical centers
since December 2021.

Please sign your name on each stand you make & ID your affiliation with the
club. Occasionally some slip thru with no maker ID. 

 

As of this writing and going forward I will longer be tracking the number of
stands made by individuals. I will just track totals in aggregate for the
club.

If it's important to you as makers to track the numbers you've individually
made, please keep your own records.

 

Please continue making them. We could produce 200+ by year end, touching the
lives in a positive way of 200 people, We know each of those recipients will
talk with others about the generosity of the Coulee Region Woodturners.

Nother benefit, a way for the public to know we exist, right?

-raasch

 

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From aamethesta at aol.com  Fri Jun 16 14:07:05 2023
From: aamethesta at aol.com (Pam Day)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2023 19:07:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [crw-talk] Wig Stands
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAJrZKHWl5S5NmDgowOm0WU0BAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAADiBJot3zxgSKT5m9O11TY1AQAAAAA=@charter.net>
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Message-ID: <1476593170.853788.1686942425705@mail.yahoo.com>

Could the club invest in some sort of branding iron or electrical gizmo saying something like "compliments of Coulee Woodworking Club.".?Not sure? if there is any such thing but just wondered.? Pam?

Sent from AOL on Android 
 
  On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 1:37 PM, raaschb at charter.net<raaschb at charter.net> wrote:   
Hi All,?

Delivered 24 wig stands to Gundersen today, 6 to Mayo Cancer Center yesterday.

Thus far 153 stands have been collected & delivered to local medical centers since December 2021.

Please sign your name on each stand you make & ID your affiliation with the club. Occasionally some slip thru with no maker ID.?

 ?

As of this writing and going forward I will longer be tracking the number of stands made by individuals. I will just track totals in aggregate for the club.

If it's important to you as makers to track the numbers you've individually made, please keep your own records.

 ?

Please continue making them. We could produce 200+ by year end, touching the lives in a positive way of 200 people, We know each of those recipients will talk with others about the generosity of the Coulee Region Woodturners.

Nother benefit, a way for the public to know we exist, right?

-raasch

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From raaschb at charter.net  Sat Jun 17 22:42:11 2023
From: raaschb at charter.net (raaschb at charter.net)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2023 22:42:11 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Wig Stands
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAJrZKHWl5S5NmDgowOm0WU0BAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAADiBJot3zxgSKT5m9O11TY1AQAAAAA=@charter.net>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAJrZKHWl5S5NmDgowOm0WU0BAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAADiBJot3zxgSKT5m9O11TY1AQAAAAA=@charter.net>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAA9V6zNnWQpGgQZ6htmKX18BAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAAAdXZX4NfGpQo8pQojUFg2VAQAAAAA=@charter.net>

Pam Day responded   "Could the club invest in some sort of branding iron or
electrical gizmo saying something like "compliments of Coulee Woodworking
Club.". Not sure  if there is any such thing but just wondered.  Pam "
 
Most certainly could can be purchased, very commonly done process, the
branding iron works west on flat surfaces, so wig stand bottoms are perfect.
The text you suggested is right on point.  
 

Woodcraft.com , See item 49D11 Model CM-MM. It's electric, 125 V.    Wall
Lenk


Branding Iron, "Handcrafted By ...", Electric Model    $120. Request board
to approve expenditure. 4-6 weeks turnaround time.

 

Thanks. -raasch

 

 

From: raaschb at charter.net <raaschb at charter.net> 
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2023 1:37 PM
To: CRW-Talk at crwoodturner.com
Cc: raaschb at charter.net
Subject: Wig Stands

 

Hi All, 

Delivered 24 wig stands to Gundersen today, 6 to Mayo Cancer Center
yesterday.

Thus far 153 stands have been collected & delivered to local medical centers
since December 2021.

Please sign your name on each stand you make & ID your affiliation with the
club. Occasionally some slip thru with no maker ID. 

 

As of this writing and going forward I will longer be tracking the number of
stands made by individuals. I will just track totals in aggregate for the
club.

If it's important to you as makers to track the numbers you've individually
made, please keep your own records.

 

Please continue making them. We could produce 200+ by year end, touching the
lives in a positive way of 200 people, We know each of those recipients will
talk with others about the generosity of the Coulee Region Woodturners.

Nother benefit, a way for the public to know we exist, right?

-raasch

 

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From griff at mwt.net  Mon Jun 19 09:44:20 2023
From: griff at mwt.net (John & Donna Griffiths)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 14:44:20 +0000
Subject: [crw-talk] Wig Stands
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAA9V6zNnWQpGgQZ6htmKX18BAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAAAdXZX4NfGpQo8pQojUFg2VAQAAAAA=@charter.net>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAJrZKHWl5S5NmDgowOm0WU0BAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAADiBJot3zxgSKT5m9O11TY1AQAAAAA=@charter.net>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAA9V6zNnWQpGgQZ6htmKX18BAMO2jhD3dRHOtM0AqgC7tuYAAAAAAA4AABAAAAAdXZX4NfGpQo8pQojUFg2VAQAAAAA=@charter.net>
Message-ID: <emc954dd04-ae3c-4e72-8168-5aaa1b749bc3@eacea422.com>

I don't think it is worth the cost. Plus after the base is branded, we 
would have to re-finish the area that was branded.  John


------ Original Message ------
>From raaschb at charter.net
To CRW-Talk at crwoodturner.com
Date 6/17/2023 10:42:11 PM
Subject Re: [crw-talk] Wig Stands

>Pam Day responded   ?Could the club invest in some sort of branding iron or electrical gizmo saying something like "compliments of Coulee Woodworking Club.". Not sure  if there is any such thing but just wondered.  Pam ?
>
>Most certainly could can be purchased, very commonly done process, the branding iron works west on flat surfaces, so wig stand bottoms are perfect.   The text you suggested is right on point.
>
>Woodcraft.com , See item 49D11 Model CM-MM. It?s electric, 125 V.    
>Wall Lenk
>Branding Iron, "Handcrafted By ...", Electric Model    $120. Request 
>board to approve expenditure. 4-6 weeks turnaround time.
>
>
>
>Thanks. -raasch
>
>
>
>
>From:raaschb at charter.net <raaschb at charter.net>
>Sent: Friday, June 16, 2023 1:37 PM
>To:CRW-Talk at crwoodturner.com
>Cc:raaschb at charter.net
>Subject: Wig Stands
>
>
>
>Hi All,
>
>Delivered 24 wig stands to Gundersen today, 6 to Mayo Cancer Center 
>yesterday.
>
>Thus far 153 stands have been collected & delivered to local medical 
>centers since December 2021.
>
>Please sign your name on each stand you make & ID your affiliation with 
>the club. Occasionally some slip thru with no maker ID.
>
>
>
>As of this writing and going forward I will longer be tracking the 
>number of stands made by individuals. I will just track totals in 
>aggregate for the club.
>
>If it's important to you as makers to track the numbers you've 
>individually made, please keep your own records.
>
>
>
>Please continue making them. We could produce 200+ by year end, 
>touching the lives in a positive way of 200 people, We know each of 
>those recipients will talk with others about the generosity of the 
>Coulee Region Woodturners.
>
>Nother benefit, a way for the public to know we exist, right?
>
>-raasch
>
>
>
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From raaschb at charter.net  Wed Jun 21 21:32:21 2023
From: raaschb at charter.net (raaschb at charter.net)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 21:32:21 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns
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Dear fellow club members, 

First of all, a thank you to our featured demonstrator for stepping up to
share his skill and concepts related to turning a footless bowl. I learned
things I did not previously appreciate. 

I arrived at Saturday's club turning demo a just a bit before 9 am. First
thing I noticed was no AV setup, once again! My belief is that the club
shows disrespect to any demonstrator kind enough to volunteer their time,
prepare for and share their skill with the attendees by not providing the
infrastructure, which the club currently has so the members can enjoy the
nuances of the presentation and maximize the learning taking place. By
providing the AV support/equipment we already have, all attendees can
visualize all that's taking place at the lathe: seeing the lathe's drive and
tail stock end, view from directly over the lathe, and clearly hearing the
voice of the demonstrator. At this past Saturday's demo, this was clearly
not the case.

 

As the demo began, I quickly became aware of several safety concerns during
the demonstration of turning the timber, a smallish bowl. 

In my absent mindedness, I chose not to take pictures, which would have
helped defend this writing.  However, I feel compelled to express my concern
and am willing to take the fall-out from mentioning.  After consultation
with others (thank you to those contributors), several positive steps are
listed and suggested to leadership to improve the attendee's experience.
There are a few web links embedded in this email, click on or copy the link
and paste into your browser to view if desired, value added, same price.

 

We all know or should know, especially if you are an AAW member, take
classes, be mentored from a respected turner,  or read the UK journal,
Woodturning that woodturning is a dangerous endeavor. In every issue of the
AAW journal, it clearly states, "an accident at the lathe can happen with
blinding suddenness, respiratory and other problems can build over years.
Take appropriate precautions when you turn. Safety guidelines are published
online at tiny.cc/turnsafe. Following these guidelines will help you
continue to enjoy woodturning"  Similar statements are found in the UK
journal. Many IRD's and quality YouTube turning videos respond in similar
fashion, for example, see Alan Scranton's,  <http://www.aswoodturns.com>
www.aswoodturns.com .

What are my observations?

 

#1. The featured demonstrator, while obviously skilled at woodturning chose
not to wear a face mask, however, was wearing safety glasses and a dust mask
throughout the complete demo. As all of us, especially seasoned turners who
turn non-spindle-oriented timber, i.e. end grain, know from experience that
the piece may come off the lathe, or chunks of wood can fly off the lathe at
lightning speed, not necessarily with forewarning.  It's happened to me,
more than once. Even with turning a piece between centers, the piece can
come off the lathe.  How do we know this?

#2. The Saturdays' club demo organizer chose NOT to coordinate the set-up of
the club's existing AV system.  Doing so however, would allow the audience
to not feel so compelled to be up close to the action.  Several people were
in the direct "line of fire" or "red zone" and sitting close to the action.
Sitting some moderate distance from the lathe; having multiple camera feeds
with the club's display screens or using the club's existing analog
projector would allow for a much richer audience experience, in a safer
manner.  The veteran club members reading will remember this AV support was
a given at all club demos at the Community Center.  The only thing that has
changed is the place (building) that demonstrations takes place.

#3. As in statement #2, 2 people were in the direct "line of fire" and very
close to the action should the entire piece or chunks of the piece come off
of the material being turned. They were not wearing PPE, nor should have
been.

#4. The club has chosen not to install the club's "plexiglass lathe
shields". These shields are free standing or attach directly to the lathe
stands to protect the viewing audience should an accident occur. We have
these devices! Please use em!

#5. There may have been, but I did not look for or see the club's "first aid
kit".  The first aid kit should be in place for every turning event, whether
at the club site or off-site demos.  I don't feel like I must define what an
accident is or the purpose of a first aid kit. I'm assuming none of us is
too cavalier not to feel to have a first aid kit present in the club's demo
space or their home shops.

#6. A club member in the viewing audience mentioned during the demo, of
their concern about people sitting close to spinning wood, and in the line
of fire. The demonstrator, kind of ignored the concern, mentioned that the
piece would not come of the lathe due to how it was captured between
centers, and did not suggest mitigation safety measures for the audience
such as moving the front row back couple feet or clear the path in the
"direct line of fire", nor personally wear a full-face mask  (the normal and
recommended safety device when turning bowls and other items) to protect
himself. 

 

For those reading this who may not know, many people have lost eyes,
sustained severe facial damage and even death from timber coming off the
lathe or a piece flying off the timber being turned.  To name a few, Joan
Kelly, an experienced turner, died May 4, 2011, 2 weeks after a lathe
accident, Jimmy Jeanfeau, a priest and hobby turner, died  more recently on
November 29, 2022,  an apparent instant death following a lathe accident,
and Lyn Yamaguchi,  <http://lynneyamaguchi.com/Yamaguchi_SafetyMatters.pdf>
Yamaguchi_SafetyMatters.pdf (lynneyamaguchi.com) an accomplished
professional turner suffered life altering injuries following a serious
lathe accident on Sept 12, 2012. There are many other examples. 
Some may say, well the club has liability insurance, for events at various
club venues, so what's the big deal? Well folks, safety is a BIG DEAL!!


#7. Sanding the bowl at Saturday's meeting was done without sanding dust
mitigation. In the past, at least at the Ona Community Center (maybe the
current guidelines have changed); sanding was taboo as the dust could not be
controlled and we understand some woods are an allergen to select people
i.e., walnut, cedar to mention a couple.  It is good to share the sanding
technic, reasons for different grits, discuss types of sanding materials,
etc. As these shows are demonstrations, there is no need to make a finished
product ready for sale or give away.  Exceptions may be helpful for small
finial type work or small diameter spindle work as little dust is generated.
If sanding is required on a larger item, a type of "sanding butter" which
reduces or eliminates generated dust, would be a safer method. 

 

Please consider these positive suggestions to leadership and all of us going
forward.  A setup checklist could be developed and adhered to, at each and
every demo meeting when actual turning of timber/material is used.  If the
demo is a canned, slide show presentation or IRD, the following list can be
disregarded.  Checklist parameters follow. 

Consider the following as a first draft! 

1.	When using the Commons room at Luther or other facility's room
space, place chairs so that a wedge-shaped open, empty, space (safety aisle)
equal to the width of and starting at the lathe and extending out to the end
of the seating. This will leave no one, other than the turner in the direct
line of fire.  Request that no members place chairs in that "safety aisle".

 

2.	Provide a Clean Face Mask/shield for the demonstrator turner, in
case they forget to bring their own. To emphasize that point, the meeting
convener should make a club announcement that ALL demonstrators are asked to
wear a full-face shield. In the case of small spindle type work such as
pens, only safety glasses could be used. 
3.	Place the club's first aid kit in an easily accessible location
known to all members.  The first aid kit should be present at all club
turning events, and all off-site turning activities.
4.	Place the club's plexiglass shields, which were made to be free
standing or attached to lathe stands at each lathe used for demonstrations,
even round-robin activities. The stands should accompany the lathes, whether
used on-site, or off-site.  These stands are designed protect the viewing
public. Ensure the plexiglass is Clean so people can readily see the
presenter and lathe project.  These plexiglass screens should be placed when
AV system is used or not used, which appears to be the new normal.
5.	Set the IG (instant gallery) table to the side and in front of the
demo room. This will make it easier for the audience to see, reduce the
steps the IG person/critique/presenter takes for showing the pieces to the
audience, optimize video capture if that is desired and will greatly reduce
members from having side conversations about the pieces while the demo is
ongoing. 
6.	The meeting or demo convener makes an announcement just before each
demo that, other than the usual comments about the demo and about pieces,
being passed around the audience, that other conversations, no matter how
brief should take place outside of the demo area.  In the case of Luther's
commons room, it has a very convenient vestibule by the entrance and hallway
just around the corner that should be used for side conversations. These
side conversations held in the demo room are extremely distracting, not only
to the audience, but for the demonstrator. Not to mention, they are rude!  
Some of us wear hearing aids or are hard of hearing, so these extraneous
conversations are very disruptive to the learning process.  Please remember
the main reason we attend the demo meetings. 
7.	Although the demonstrator has the responsibility to make the demo
safe, our club, has the responsibility to make sure our equipment and
physical setup are created with safety in mind.

 

In closing, I am writing this to plead with you, the membership, that for
the good of the club, safety for all is of paramount importance. Anyone
suggesting that "that (safety) will be addressed in the future" as I've
heard, is seriously and foolishly missing the point.  

As a turning club, our CRW mission statement states "To promote, to educate,
and to inspire ourselves and others in the fine art of turned wood."  The
"educate" is implied to mean the how's, what's, and techniques of turning in
a safe manner using promoted and accepted safety measures using PPE and
protecting the viewing audience as practical. By not adhering to these
principles, we are in effect, "poo pooing" the principal standards of
turning safety.  

 

Is the picture of unsafe behaviors and deficient turning space setups what
we want to pass on to learners, seasoned turners, children learning
woodturning, or new turners we are trying to introduce to the fun craft and
hobby of wood turning?   Thank you for reading.


Sincerely, Bob Raasch
  

 


 

 

 

 

 

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From aamethesta at aol.com  Thu Jun 22 07:21:07 2023
From: aamethesta at aol.com (Pam Day)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2023 12:21:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [crw-talk] Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns
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I think it is always wise for club members to help maintain safe meetings.? The excitement of live demonstrations, along with Co-Vid complacency and rusty remembering, shouldn't numb us to safety recommendations.
Perhaps a demonstration checklist of av, equipment and seating set up would help with memory cobwebs.?
I am impressed that this club has the trust and respect of all members so concerns are able to be presented without retribution.
Kudos to the club as a whole.? ?Pam?
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From kengrunke at gmail.com  Fri Jun 23 00:40:24 2023
From: kengrunke at gmail.com (Ken Grunke)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 00:40:24 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns
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Did anyone see the reply from Pam to this message from Bob? I know she 
sent it as it shows up in the archive but it doesn't come out via email. 
Just checking. Please reply only if you did see it, thanks

Ken Grunke

On 6/21/23 21:32, raaschb at charter.net wrote:
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From aaronagesicki at gmail.com  Fri Jun 23 02:53:13 2023
From: aaronagesicki at gmail.com (Aaron Gesicki)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 02:53:13 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns
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I saw it.

Aaron Gesicki

On Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 12:40 AM Ken Grunke <kengrunke at gmail.com> wrote:

> Did anyone see the reply from Pam to this message from Bob? I know she
> sent it as it shows up in the archive but it doesn't come out via email.
> Just checking. Please reply only if you did see it, thanks
>
> Ken Grunke
> On 6/21/23 21:32, raaschb at charter.net wrote:
>
> Bob Raasch
>
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From marine9096 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 23 06:28:44 2023
From: marine9096 at gmail.com (James Bloomer)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 06:28:44 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns
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Yes Ken I saw it. Her email pops up in my spam folder about 50% of the
time.

On Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 00:41 Ken Grunke <kengrunke at gmail.com> wrote:

> Did anyone see the reply from Pam to this message from Bob? I know she
> sent it as it shows up in the archive but it doesn't come out via email.
> Just checking. Please reply only if you did see it, thanks
>
> Ken Grunke
> On 6/21/23 21:32, raaschb at charter.net wrote:
>
> Bob Raasch
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From wisawdust at charter.net  Fri Jun 23 06:40:03 2023
From: wisawdust at charter.net (wisawdust)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 06:40:03 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns
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Ken, I did not see Pam's responseDuaneSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: James Bloomer <marine9096 at gmail.com> Date: 6/23/23  6:29 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: "Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners." <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com> Subject: Re: [crw-talk] Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns Yes Ken I saw it. Her email pops up in my spam?folder about 50% of the time.?On Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 00:41 Ken Grunke <kengrunke at gmail.com> wrote:
  
    
  
  
    Did anyone see the reply from Pam to this message
        from Bob? I know she sent it as it shows up in the archive but
        it doesn't come out via email. Just checking. Please reply only
        if you did see it, thanks
    Ken Grunke
    
    On 6/21/23 21:32, raaschb at charter.net
      wrote:
    
    Bob Raasch
  

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From stricknageln at gmail.com  Fri Jun 23 06:56:42 2023
From: stricknageln at gmail.com (juleanuary y)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 06:56:42 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns
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My email said Pam?s note was moved to my spam folder.

About Bob?s message, when I worked in industry, we were required to report
both accidents and near misses. Data had shown that the number of accidents
fell dramatically when near misses were reported and analyzed like
accidents. Bob has brought us an excellent example of ?near miss? reporting
and analysis.

Heather Schenck

On Friday, June 23, 2023, wisawdust <wisawdust at charter.net> wrote:

> Ken, I did not see Pam's response
>
> Duane
>
>
>
> Sent from my Galaxy
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: James Bloomer <marine9096 at gmail.com>
> Date: 6/23/23 6:29 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: "Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region
> Woodturners." <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
> Subject: Re: [crw-talk] Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns
>
> Yes Ken I saw it. Her email pops up in my spam folder about 50% of the
> time.
>
> On Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 00:41 Ken Grunke <kengrunke at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Did anyone see the reply from Pam to this message from Bob? I know she
>> sent it as it shows up in the archive but it doesn't come out via email.
>> Just checking. Please reply only if you did see it, thanks
>>
>> Ken Grunke
>> On 6/21/23 21:32, raaschb at charter.net wrote:
>>
>> Bob Raasch
>>
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>> only to sender.
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From rjpatros05 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 23 07:01:30 2023
From: rjpatros05 at gmail.com (Robert Patros)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 07:01:30 -0500
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From: rjpatros05 at gmail.com (Robert Patros)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 07:28:25 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns
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From: EganR at westerntc.edu (Egan, Richard)
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Yes I did



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-------- Original message --------
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Date: 6/23/23 12:40 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: crw-talk at crwoodturner.com
Subject: Re: [crw-talk] Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns

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Did anyone see the reply from Pam to this message from Bob? I know she sent it as it shows up in the archive but it doesn't come out via email. Just checking. Please reply only if you did see it, thanks

Ken Grunke

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From jerrymol at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 23 09:01:32 2023
From: jerrymol at hotmail.com (Jerry Molnar)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 14:01:32 +0000
Subject: [crw-talk] Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns
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I did not aee it.



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone



-------- Original message --------
From: wisawdust <wisawdust at charter.net>
Date: 6/23/23 6:40 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: "Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners." <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
Subject: Re: [crw-talk] Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns

Ken, I did not see Pam's response

Duane



Sent from my Galaxy


-------- Original message --------
From: James Bloomer <marine9096 at gmail.com>
Date: 6/23/23 6:29 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: "Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners." <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
Subject: Re: [crw-talk] Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns

Yes Ken I saw it. Her email pops up in my spam folder about 50% of the time.

On Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 00:41 Ken Grunke <kengrunke at gmail.com<mailto:kengrunke at gmail.com>> wrote:

Did anyone see the reply from Pam to this message from Bob? I know she sent it as it shows up in the archive but it doesn't come out via email. Just checking. Please reply only if you did see it, thanks

Ken Grunke

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From jerrymol at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 23 09:11:28 2023
From: jerrymol at hotmail.com (Jerry Molnar)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 14:11:28 +0000
Subject: [crw-talk] Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns
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Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone



-------- Original message --------
From: wisawdust <wisawdust at charter.net>
Date: 6/23/23 6:40 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: "Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners." <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
Subject: Re: [crw-talk] Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns

Ken, I did not see Pam's response

Duane



Sent from my Galaxy


-------- Original message --------
From: James Bloomer <marine9096 at gmail.com>
Date: 6/23/23 6:29 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: "Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners." <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
Subject: Re: [crw-talk] Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns

Yes Ken I saw it. Her email pops up in my spam folder about 50% of the time.

On Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 00:41 Ken Grunke <kengrunke at gmail.com<mailto:kengrunke at gmail.com>> wrote:

Did anyone see the reply from Pam to this message from Bob? I know she sent it as it shows up in the archive but it doesn't come out via email. Just checking. Please reply only if you did see it, thanks

Ken Grunke

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From kengrunke at gmail.com  Fri Jun 23 09:56:19 2023
From: kengrunke at gmail.com (Ken Grunke)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 09:56:19 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns
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On 6/23/23 06:28, James Bloomer wrote:
> Yes Ken I saw it. Her email pops up in my spam?folder about 50% of the 
> time.

Same here. Seems AOL is flagged as a spam server. Those using it for 
email should consider switching to another provider, such as gmail.


>
> On Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 00:41 Ken Grunke <kengrunke at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Did anyone see the reply from Pam to this message from Bob? I know
>     she sent it as it shows up in the archive but it doesn't come out
>     via email. Just checking. Please reply only if you did see it, thanks
>
>     Ken Grunke
>
>     On 6/21/23 21:32, raaschb at charter.net wrote:
>>     Bob Raasch
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From kengrunke at gmail.com  Fri Jun 23 10:01:35 2023
From: kengrunke at gmail.com (Ken Grunke)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 10:01:35 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Fwd:  Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns
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---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Pam Day <aamethesta at aol.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 7:21?AM
Subject: Re: [crw-talk] Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns
To: Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners. <
crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>


I think it is always wise for club members to help maintain safe meetings.
The excitement of live demonstrations, along with Co-Vid complacency and
rusty remembering, shouldn't numb us to safety recommendations.

Perhaps a demonstration checklist of av, equipment and seating set up would
help with memory cobwebs.

I am impressed that this club has the trust and respect of all members so
concerns are able to be presented without retribution.

Kudos to the club as a whole.   Pam

Sent from AOL on Android
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aol.mobile.aolapp>

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From griff at mwt.net  Fri Jun 23 11:16:40 2023
From: griff at mwt.net (John & Donna Griffiths)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 16:16:40 +0000
Subject: [crw-talk] Fwd: Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns
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Bob, it must have been eaten by a gremlin.  One that munches down on 
electrons, kind of like a Pac Man.  Just resend it,  As I enter my ninth 
decade, if there is one thing I have figured out, it is electronic 
devices are subject to glitches.  John


------ Original Message ------
>From "Ken Grunke" <kengrunke at gmail.com>
To "CRW talk" <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
Date 6/23/2023 10:01:35 AM
Subject [crw-talk] Fwd: Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns

>
>
>---------- Forwarded message ---------
>From: Pam Day<aamethesta at aol.com>
>Date: Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 7:21?AM
>Subject: Re: [crw-talk] Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns
>To: Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee 
>Region	Woodturners. <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
>
>
>I think it is always wise for club members to help maintain safe 
>meetings.  The excitement of live demonstrations, along with Co-Vid 
>complacency and rusty remembering, shouldn't numb us to safety 
>recommendations.
>
>Perhaps a demonstration checklist of av, equipment and seating set up 
>would help with memory cobwebs.
>
>I am impressed that this club has the trust and respect of all members 
>so concerns are able to be presented without retribution.
>
>Kudos to the club as a whole.   Pam
>
>Sent from AOL on Android 
><https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aol.mobile.aolapp>
>
>>On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 9:33 PM, raaschb at charter.net
>><raaschb at charter.net> wrote:
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From raaschb at charter.net  Fri Jun 23 16:39:26 2023
From: raaschb at charter.net (raaschb at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 16:39:26 -0500
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From raaschb at charter.net  Fri Jun 23 21:01:42 2023
From: raaschb at charter.net (raaschb at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 21:01:42 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Fwd: Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns
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John and all,

Good point. I will resend. Maybe the drought is affecting those electrons, moving slower than usual, gobbled by PM.

The following is geeky: read at you own risk. 

 

1.	The currently used club?s CRW talk software is Mailman software is 2.1.38, the most current is 3.3.8, written in the  Python language, which should be stable. I do not know the effect of the current Mailman version on handling the current email traffic. I believe the computer running the OS maybe a type of Unix,  Linux or similar and able to be used on a variety of computers.  If so, the OS is free and open source, and certainly out of my wheelhouse. Mailman is free according to the Mailman web site. Does not mean Mailman it not a good product, it?s just free and requires a knowledgeable webmaster such as Ken to manage.  We all know the CRW club membership has shrunk over the years, and email traffic is minimal. Am hoping Ken will review and possibly update, as  needed. There are mail server products available that run on Windows computers, but  these are not free!
2.	Many years ago, in a different life, I ran a private type (kinda like the CRW server) mail server, had 300-1000 members fluctuated over the years,  5-20 +emails per day, usually requested by subscribers to receive only 1 email per day, the setting called Digest, in essence, divvy-up into separate topics as desired so people did not get email pollution on their computers. Private lists, minimize hacking, a good thing. Only subscribers can post or read the CRW emessages.  When someone joins the CRW club, Ken subscribes the new members, a transparent process for members. The first subscriber email list product my college used to run a mail server called Radsci-L was Listserv, followed by MajorDomo, and the final product used was possibly Mailman, a free software, run on a Linux  computer system via the college IT dept. My role was list owner and manager, not the techy guy, but certainly able to handle all assorted situations, including email bounces, rejected email, subscribing unsubscribing, members, sparking discussion as needed, fielding questions, and helping subscriber people,  etc. It was a fun labor of love project for a professional group I was part of for bout 9 ? years.  I do know, running a mail server can be challenging; as Ken knows, and glitches indeed can happen and sometimes do. I also used Yahoo groups for a small professional group, which worked well. I do not know if Yahoo groups is still available or costs. It was free in the mid 2000?s
3.	Someone suggested in the last couple of days, for members to use an email package other than AOL when interacting with CRW talk.  We know AOL is not the AOL we may remember from the mid 1990?s, however, AOL mail is still out there, and has many users, and continues to be viable. I don?t believe the CRW police should be involved in recommending email software to use. When changing email or adopting new email, all kinds of issues complicate communication with people. For me personally, I?ve had to use by Gmail for many email services, only because my Android phone hates charter email, making it IMPOSSIBLE to send charter email.  The CRW-talk server does not accept email coming from my gmail phone?s account, as I?m only subscribed via my charter email.
Please, fix or update the CRW software as needed, Do not suggest using a new email address for this sole purpose. 
4.	I do suspect, however, paying for an email list management service would be a consideration going forward, set up so more than one club member person could help manage.  Some of these have reasonable costs for such a small club and minimal traffic such as CRW has. Funded by dues, recall the kitty currently has bout $3,000 I believe.

Thank you, -Raasch

 

 

 

From: crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> On Behalf Of John & Donna Griffiths
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 11:17 AM
To: Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners. <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
Subject: Re: [crw-talk] Fwd: Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns

 

Bob, it must have been eaten by a gremlin.  One that munches down on electrons, kind of like a Pac Man.  Just resend it,  As I enter my ninth decade, if there is one thing I have figured out, it is electronic devices are subject to glitches.  John

 

 

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>From "Ken Grunke" < <mailto:kengrunke at gmail.com> kengrunke at gmail.com>

To "CRW talk" < <mailto:crw-talk at crwoodturner.com> crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>

Date 6/23/2023 10:01:35 AM

Subject [crw-talk] Fwd: Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns

 

 

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Pam Day < <mailto:aamethesta at aol.com> aamethesta at aol.com>
Date: Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 7:21?AM
Subject: Re: [crw-talk] Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns
To: Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners. < <mailto:crw-talk at crwoodturner.com> crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>



I think it is always wise for club members to help maintain safe meetings.  The excitement of live demonstrations, along with Co-Vid complacency and rusty remembering, shouldn't numb us to safety recommendations.

 

Perhaps a demonstration checklist of av, equipment and seating set up would help with memory cobwebs. 

 

I am impressed that this club has the trust and respect of all members so concerns are able to be presented without retribution.

 

Kudos to the club as a whole.   Pam 

 

 <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aol.mobile.aolapp> Sent from AOL on Android

 

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From raaschb at charter.net  Fri Jun 23 21:01:42 2023
From: raaschb at charter.net (raaschb at charter.net)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 21:01:42 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] FW: Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns, Once again,
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Appears many CRW members did not receive this original email, however many
did receive subsequent emails referring back to this safety concerns email I
sent on 6-17-23.

This is being resent on the good recommendation by John Griffiths.   -raasch


 

 

Dear fellow club members, 

First of all, a thank you to our featured demonstrator for stepping up to
share his skill and concepts related to turning a footless bowl. I learned
things I did not previously appreciate. 

I arrived at Saturday's club turning demo a just a bit before 9 am. First
thing I noticed was no AV setup, once again! My belief is that the club
shows disrespect to any demonstrator kind enough to volunteer their time,
prepare for and share their skill with the attendees by not providing the
infrastructure, which the club currently has so the members can enjoy the
nuances of the presentation and maximize the learning taking place. By
providing the AV support/equipment we already have, all attendees can
visualize all that's taking place at the lathe: seeing the lathe's drive and
tail stock end, view from directly over the lathe, and clearly hearing the
voice of the demonstrator. At this past Saturday's demo, this was clearly
not the case.

 

As the demo began, I quickly became aware of several safety concerns during
the demonstration of turning the timber, a smallish bowl. 

In my absent mindedness, I chose not to take pictures, which would have
helped defend this writing.  However, I feel compelled to express my concern
and am willing to take the fall-out from mentioning.  After consultation
with others (thank you to those contributors), several positive steps are
listed and suggested to leadership to improve the attendee's experience.
There are a few web links embedded in this email, click on or copy the link
and paste into your browser to view if desired, value added, same price.

 

We all know or should know, especially if you are an AAW member, take
classes, be mentored from a respected turner,  or read the UK journal,
Woodturning that woodturning is a dangerous endeavor. In every issue of the
AAW journal, it clearly states, "an accident at the lathe can happen with
blinding suddenness, respiratory and other problems can build over years.
Take appropriate precautions when you turn. Safety guidelines are published
online at tiny.cc/turnsafe. Following these guidelines will help you
continue to enjoy woodturning"  Similar statements are found in the UK
journal. Many IRD's and quality YouTube turning videos respond in similar
fashion, for example, see Alan Scranton's,  <http://www.aswoodturns.com>
www.aswoodturns.com .

What are my observations?

 

#1. The featured demonstrator, while obviously skilled at woodturning chose
not to wear a face mask, however, was wearing safety glasses and a dust mask
throughout the complete demo. As all of us, especially seasoned turners who
turn non-spindle-oriented timber, i.e. end grain, know from experience that
the piece may come off the lathe, or chunks of wood can fly off the lathe at
lightning speed, not necessarily with forewarning.  It's happened to me,
more than once. Even with turning a piece between centers, the piece can
come off the lathe.  How do we know this?

#2. The Saturdays' club demo organizer chose NOT to coordinate the set-up of
the club's existing AV system.  Doing so however, would allow the audience
to not feel so compelled to be up close to the action.  Several people were
in the direct "line of fire" or "red zone" and sitting close to the action.
Sitting some moderate distance from the lathe; having multiple camera feeds
with the club's display screens or using the club's existing analog
projector would allow for a much richer audience experience, in a safer
manner.  The veteran club members reading will remember this AV support was
a given at all club demos at the Community Center.  The only thing that has
changed is the place (building) that demonstrations takes place.

#3. As in statement #2, 2 people were in the direct "line of fire" and very
close to the action should the entire piece or chunks of the piece come off
of the material being turned. They were not wearing PPE, nor should have
been.

#4. The club has chosen not to install the club's "plexiglass lathe
shields". These shields are free standing or attach directly to the lathe
stands to protect the viewing audience should an accident occur. We have
these devices! Please use em!

#5. There may have been, but I did not look for or see the club's "first aid
kit".  The first aid kit should be in place for every turning event, whether
at the club site or off-site demos.  I don't feel like I must define what an
accident is or the purpose of a first aid kit. I'm assuming none of us is
too cavalier not to feel to have a first aid kit present in the club's demo
space or their home shops.

#6. A club member in the viewing audience mentioned during the demo, of
their concern about people sitting close to spinning wood, and in the line
of fire. The demonstrator, kind of ignored the concern, mentioned that the
piece would not come of the lathe due to how it was captured between
centers, and did not suggest mitigation safety measures for the audience
such as moving the front row back couple feet or clear the path in the
"direct line of fire", nor personally wear a full-face mask  (the normal and
recommended safety device when turning bowls and other items) to protect
himself. 

 

For those reading this who may not know, many people have lost eyes,
sustained severe facial damage and even death from timber coming off the
lathe or a piece flying off the timber being turned.  To name a few, Joan
Kelly, an experienced turner, died May 4, 2011, 2 weeks after a lathe
accident, Jimmy Jeanfeau, a priest and hobby turner, died  more recently on
November 29, 2022,  an apparent instant death following a lathe accident,
and Lyn Yamaguchi,  <http://lynneyamaguchi.com/Yamaguchi_SafetyMatters.pdf>
Yamaguchi_SafetyMatters.pdf (lynneyamaguchi.com) an accomplished
professional turner suffered life altering injuries following a serious
lathe accident on Sept 12, 2012. There are many other examples. 
Some may say, well the club has liability insurance, for events at various
club venues, so what's the big deal? Well folks, safety is a BIG DEAL!!


#7. Sanding the bowl at Saturday's meeting was done without sanding dust
mitigation. In the past, at least at the Ona Community Center (maybe the
current guidelines have changed); sanding was taboo as the dust could not be
controlled and we understand some woods are an allergen to select people
i.e., walnut, cedar to mention a couple.  It is good to share the sanding
technic, reasons for different grits, discuss types of sanding materials,
etc. As these shows are demonstrations, there is no need to make a finished
product ready for sale or give away.  Exceptions may be helpful for small
finial type work or small diameter spindle work as little dust is generated.
If sanding is required on a larger item, a type of "sanding butter" which
reduces or eliminates generated dust, would be a safer method. 

 

Please consider these positive suggestions to leadership and all of us going
forward.  A setup checklist could be developed and adhered to, at each and
every demo meeting when actual turning of timber/material is used.  If the
demo is a canned, slide show presentation or IRD, the following list can be
disregarded.  Checklist parameters follow. 

Consider the following as a first draft! 

1.	When using the Commons room at Luther or other facility's room
space, place chairs so that a wedge-shaped open, empty, space (safety aisle)
equal to the width of and starting at the lathe and extending out to the end
of the seating. This will leave no one, other than the turner in the direct
line of fire.  Request that no members place chairs in that "safety aisle".

 

2.	Provide a Clean Face Mask/shield for the demonstrator turner, in
case they forget to bring their own. To emphasize that point, the meeting
convener should make a club announcement that ALL demonstrators are asked to
wear a full-face shield. In the case of small spindle type work such as
pens, only safety glasses could be used. 
3.	Place the club's first aid kit in an easily accessible location
known to all members.  The first aid kit should be present at all club
turning events, and all off-site turning activities.
4.	Place the club's plexiglass shields, which were made to be free
standing or attached to lathe stands at each lathe used for demonstrations,
even round-robin activities. The stands should accompany the lathes, whether
used on-site, or off-site.  These stands are designed protect the viewing
public. Ensure the plexiglass is Clean so people can readily see the
presenter and lathe project.  These plexiglass screens should be placed when
AV system is used or not used, which appears to be the new normal.
5.	Set the IG (instant gallery) table to the side and in front of the
demo room. This will make it easier for the audience to see, reduce the
steps the IG person/critique/presenter takes for showing the pieces to the
audience, optimize video capture if that is desired and will greatly reduce
members from having side conversations about the pieces while the demo is
ongoing. 
6.	The meeting or demo convener makes an announcement just before each
demo that, other than the usual comments about the demo and about pieces,
being passed around the audience, that other conversations, no matter how
brief should take place outside of the demo area.  In the case of Luther's
commons room, it has a very convenient vestibule by the entrance and hallway
just around the corner that should be used for side conversations. These
side conversations held in the demo room are extremely distracting, not only
to the audience, but for the demonstrator. Not to mention, they are rude!  
Some of us wear hearing aids or are hard of hearing, so these extraneous
conversations are very disruptive to the learning process.  Please remember
the main reason we attend the demo meetings. 
7.	Although the demonstrator has the responsibility to make the demo
safe, our club, has the responsibility to make sure our equipment and
physical setup are created with safety in mind.

 

In closing, I am writing this to plead with you, the membership, that for
the good of the club, safety for all is of paramount importance. Anyone
suggesting that "that (safety) will be addressed in the future" as I've
heard, is seriously and foolishly missing the point.  

As a turning club, our CRW mission statement states "To promote, to educate,
and to inspire ourselves and others in the fine art of turned wood."  The
"educate" is implied to mean the how's, what's, and techniques of turning in
a safe manner using promoted and accepted safety measures using PPE and
protecting the viewing audience as practical. By not adhering to these
principles, we are in effect, "poo pooing" the principal standards of
turning safety.  

 

Is the picture of unsafe behaviors and deficient turning space setups what
we want to pass on to learners, seasoned turners, children learning
woodturning, or new turners we are trying to introduce to the fun craft and
hobby of wood turning?   Thank you for reading.


Sincerely, Bob Raasch
  

 


 

 

 

 

 

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From kengrunke at gmail.com  Sat Jun 24 15:31:57 2023
From: kengrunke at gmail.com (Ken Grunke)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2023 15:31:57 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Fwd: Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns
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Bob, and all, my replies are interspersed within the quotes:

On 6/23/23 21:01, raaschb at charter.net wrote:
>
> The following is geeky: read at you own risk.
>
>  1. The currently used club?s CRW talk software is Mailman software is
>     2.1.38, the most current is 3.3.8, written in the? Python
>     language, which should be stable. I do not know the effect of the
>     current Mailman version on handling the current email traffic. I
>     believe the computer running the OS maybe a type of Unix,? Linux
>     or similar and able to be used on a variety of computers....... Am
>     hoping Ken will review and possibly update, as ?needed. There are
>     mail server products available that run on Windows computers, but
>     ?these are not free!
>
the website is hosted on a shared hosting server from hostgator.com. It 
is a Linux system, running Redhat Linux. I don't have root access to the 
server at the level where Mailman can be updated. Hostgator offers the 
Mailman listserv as a user service, and they take care of the updates. 
All I can do is log into the control panel and change the settings to 
suit our needs.
>
>  1. Many years ago, ........ I do not know if Yahoo groups is still
>     available or costs. It was free in the mid 2000?s
>  2. Someone suggested in the last couple of days, for members to use
>     an email package other than AOL when interacting with CRW talk.?
>     ......... I don?t believe the CRW police should be involved in
>     recommending email software to use. .....
>
>  1. Please, fix or update the CRW software as needed, Do not suggest
>     using a new email address for this sole purpose.
>
I certainly didn't mean to police the choice of email providers, just 
wanted to suggest a solution to the problem. The fix/update request is 
answered in my first paragraph.


>  1. I do suspect, however, paying for an email list management service
>     would be a consideration going forward, set up so more than one
>     club member person could help manage. ?Some of these have
>     reasonable costs for such a small club and minimal traffic such as
>     CRW has. Funded by dues, recall the kitty currently has bout
>     $3,000 I believe.
>
Hostgator doesn't offer alternatives as a service, although there are 
user-installable packages available for email listservs. I have looked 
at them in the past, and didn't see any reason to move away from 
Mailman. Why fix something that isn't broken? I'm not sure where the 
connection lies between Mailman and outgoing emails getting trapped in 
personal spam folders.

Bob, I'd be glad to have your help managing crw-talk or you can at least 
have a look at the Mailman control panel.? I'll email you the login info 
for that. Maybe you can find that connection.

> 1.
>
> Thank you, -Raasch
>
> *From:* crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> *On Behalf Of 
> *John & Donna Griffiths
> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2023 11:17 AM
> *To:* Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region 
> Woodturners. <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [crw-talk] Fwd: Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns
>
> Bob, it must have been eaten by a gremlin.? One that munches down on 
> electrons, kind of like a Pac Man.? Just resend it,? As I enter my 
> ninth decade, if there is one thing I have figured out, it is 
> electronic devices are subject to glitches.? John
>
> ------ Original Message ------
>
> From "Ken Grunke" <kengrunke at gmail.com <mailto:kengrunke at gmail.com>>
>
> To "CRW talk" <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com 
> <mailto:crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>>
>
> Date 6/23/2023 10:01:35 AM
>
> Subject [crw-talk] Fwd: Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Pam Day* <aamethesta at aol.com <mailto:aamethesta at aol.com>>
> Date: Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 7:21?AM
> Subject: Re: [crw-talk] Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns
> To: Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region 
> Woodturners. <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com 
> <mailto:crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>>
>
>
>
> I think it is always wise for club members to help maintain safe 
> meetings.? The excitement of live demonstrations, along with Co-Vid 
> complacency and rusty remembering, shouldn't numb us to safety 
> recommendations.
>
> Perhaps a demonstration checklist of av, equipment and seating set up 
> would help with memory cobwebs.
>
> I am impressed that this club has the trust and respect of all members 
> so concerns are able to be presented without retribution.
>
> Kudos to the club as a whole.? ?Pam
>
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>     On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 9:33 PM, raaschb at charter.net
>     <mailto:raaschb at charter.net>
>
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From raaschb at charter.net  Sat Jun 24 17:03:55 2023
From: raaschb at charter.net (raaschb at charter.net)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2023 17:03:55 -0500
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Thanks, Ken, for the very kind response. 

As always, there is more than meets the eye.  The explanation is very helpful. Maybe Hostgator chooses not to update for monetary reasons, beyond our control ta be sure.

I no nada bout Unix, Linux or other.  I started with MS DOS 1.0? on a PC, very early eighties. Don?t even know how to turn a Apple or Mac system on- I just eat em. 
Sometimes, the command prompt systems made more sense. Does RedHat have a GUI interface?  I know most medical imaging equipment run on Unix, lower overhead much faster at processing those electrons I suspect. 


Now that I?m forced to use gmail on my phone, as the shitty charter interface on my phone usually craps out,  I?m often using both charter(PC) and gmail (phone)for email purposes, in my view, a waste  of time?When I retire, I?ll get off the bandwagon and stick to bagpiping  ( I like that irritating sound to some or most- Red Hot Chilli Pipers much more fun than rap, ska and the like) and turning stuff. 

 

Anyway, I?ll take a peek at the Mailman interface, not making any changes. That?s probably got lots of geeky stuff, ma mostly gone brain wouldn?t understand anyway. That would be suicide! 

 

I may have some questions offline?ifn I see something that really sticks out, don?t hold your breath on me finding any. There may be a member in the club that?s getting into Unix or Linux and would love to help ya. That 1 will read this?.me thinks.

When I got in trouble, long time ago with mailserver stuff, 1995ish, the IT people pulled me from the brink?.can you imagine 1000 subscribers screamin at me?  Was an unpleasant thingy, went with the job.

 

Thanks again Ken and take care.     

Hey, una mas, are you in the founding member group of the CRW?


-raasch

 

 

From: crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> On Behalf Of Ken Grunke
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2023 3:32 PM
To: crw-talk at crwoodturner.com
Subject: Re: [crw-talk] Fwd: Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns

 

Bob, and all, my replies are interspersed within the quotes:

On 6/23/23 21:01, raaschb at charter.net <mailto:raaschb at charter.net>  wrote:

The following is geeky: read at you own risk. 

 

1.	The currently used club?s CRW talk software is Mailman software is 2.1.38, the most current is 3.3.8, written in the  Python language, which should be stable. I do not know the effect of the current Mailman version on handling the current email traffic. I believe the computer running the OS maybe a type of Unix,  Linux or similar and able to be used on a variety of computers....... Am hoping Ken will review and possibly update, as  needed. There are mail server products available that run on Windows computers, but  these are not free!

the website is hosted on a shared hosting server from hostgator.com. It is a Linux system, running Redhat Linux. I don't have root access to the server at the level where Mailman can be updated. Hostgator offers the Mailman listserv as a user service, and they take care of the updates. All I can do is log into the control panel and change the settings to suit our needs. 



 

2.	Many years ago, ........ I do not know if Yahoo groups is still available or costs. It was free in the mid 2000?s
3.	Someone suggested in the last couple of days, for members to use an email package other than AOL when interacting with CRW talk.  ......... I don?t believe the CRW police should be involved in recommending email software to use. .....

4.	Please, fix or update the CRW software as needed, Do not suggest using a new email address for this sole purpose. 

I certainly didn't mean to police the choice of email providers, just wanted to suggest a solution to the problem. The fix/update request is answered in my first paragraph.

 

5.	I do suspect, however, paying for an email list management service would be a consideration going forward, set up so more than one club member person could help manage.  Some of these have reasonable costs for such a small club and minimal traffic such as CRW has. Funded by dues, recall the kitty currently has bout $3,000 I believe.

Hostgator doesn't offer alternatives as a service, although there are user-installable packages available for email listservs. I have looked at them in the past, and didn't see any reason to move away from Mailman. Why fix something that isn't broken? I'm not sure where the connection lies between Mailman and outgoing emails getting trapped in personal spam folders. 

Bob, I'd be glad to have your help managing crw-talk or you can at least have a look at the Mailman control panel.  I'll email you the login info for that. Maybe you can find that connection.

6.	 

Thank you, -Raasch

 

 

 

From: crw-talk  <mailto:crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> On Behalf Of John & Donna Griffiths
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 11:17 AM
To: Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners.  <mailto:crw-talk at crwoodturner.com> <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
Subject: Re: [crw-talk] Fwd: Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns

 

Bob, it must have been eaten by a gremlin.  One that munches down on electrons, kind of like a Pac Man.  Just resend it,  As I enter my ninth decade, if there is one thing I have figured out, it is electronic devices are subject to glitches.  John

 

 

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To "CRW talk" < <mailto:crw-talk at crwoodturner.com> crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>

Date 6/23/2023 10:01:35 AM

Subject [crw-talk] Fwd: Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns

 

 

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Date: Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 7:21?AM
Subject: Re: [crw-talk] Saturday 6-17-23 Demo Safety Concerns
To: Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners. < <mailto:crw-talk at crwoodturner.com> crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>



I think it is always wise for club members to help maintain safe meetings.  The excitement of live demonstrations, along with Co-Vid complacency and rusty remembering, shouldn't numb us to safety recommendations.

 

Perhaps a demonstration checklist of av, equipment and seating set up would help with memory cobwebs. 

 

I am impressed that this club has the trust and respect of all members so concerns are able to be presented without retribution.

 

Kudos to the club as a whole.   Pam 

 

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On Wed, Jun 21, 2023 at 9:33 PM,  <mailto:raaschb at charter.net> raaschb at charter.net

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From raaschb at charter.net  Sat Jun 24 18:08:15 2023
From: raaschb at charter.net (raaschb at charter.net)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2023 18:08:15 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Blast from da past- from earlier days.
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Taking the liberty, at great risk to send an attachment of the One Good Turn
from deep in the recesses.  Fond memories, remembering our wonderful
forebearers, no longer with us, Brother Finbar, Eddie, Jimmy Frank, Greg
Haugan, and Ansel Heram.   

Tool day pics,  ya'll  have aged so well!    A mystery quest - find Bob R's
grinder, ifn you find it, a reward will be given- its there fer sure! What's
the finder's reward?

 

-raasch

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From aaronagesicki at gmail.com  Sat Jun 24 18:40:54 2023
From: aaronagesicki at gmail.com (Aaron Gesicki)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2023 18:40:54 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Blast from da past- from earlier days.
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Don't forget Ed Holz. RIP, Curly. 
 
 
Aaron Gesicki
 
 
 
From: crw-talk
<crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> On
Behalf Of raaschb at charter.net
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2023 6:08 PM
To: CRW-Talk at crwoodturner.com
Subject: [crw-talk] Blast from da past- from
earlier days.
 
Taking the liberty, at great risk to send an
attachment of the One Good Turn from deep in
the recesses.  Fond memories, remembering
our wonderful forebearers, no longer with
us, Brother Finbar, Eddie, Jimmy Frank, Greg
Haugan, and Ansel Heram.   

Tool day pics,  ya'll  have aged so well!
A mystery quest - find Bob R's grinder, ifn
you find it, a reward will be given- its
there fer sure! What's the finder's reward?
 
-raasch
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From raaschb at charter.net  Sat Jun 24 21:36:33 2023
From: raaschb at charter.net (raaschb at charter.net)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2023 21:36:33 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Blast from da past- from earlier days.
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Aaron,

Saw your response in da archive..yup, Eddie Holz, aka Curly, the old salt,
served on minesweepers- wooden hull Navy ships, as I recall him saying.
And, Eddie was a wonderful story teller as I recall.  Eddie and his wife
brought wonderful food to the old club's Christmas potlucks..good times! 

Thanks for chiming in.   -raasch

 

From: crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> On Behalf Of
raaschb at charter.net
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2023 6:08 PM
To: CRW-Talk at crwoodturner.com
Subject: [crw-talk] Blast from da past- from earlier days.

 

Taking the liberty, at great risk to send an attachment of the One Good Turn
from deep in the recesses.  Fond memories, remembering our wonderful
forebearers, no longer with us, Brother Finbar, Eddie, Jimmy Frank, Greg
Haugan, and Ansel Heram.   

Tool day pics,  ya'll  have aged so well!    A mystery quest - find Bob R's
grinder, ifn you find it, a reward will be given- its there fer sure! What's
the finder's reward?

 

-raasch

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From raaschb at charter.net  Sat Jun 24 21:50:25 2023
From: raaschb at charter.net (raaschb at charter.net)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2023 21:50:25 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Blast from da past- from earlier days.
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For the newer members, the club's large Powermatic 3520B is the 1 mentioned
in the newsletter.  Bill Kammueller was a club member; I think passed away
shortly before I joined. The lathe certainly has some history. Check out the
plaque and sigs of visiting pros who have graced our meetings over the
years.  -raasch 

 

From: crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> On Behalf Of
raaschb at charter.net
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2023 9:37 PM
To: 'Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners.'
<crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>; 'Aaron Gesicki' <aaronagesicki at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [crw-talk] Blast from da past- from earlier days.

 

Aaron,

Saw your response in da archive..yup, Eddie Holz, aka Curly, the old salt,
served on minesweepers- wooden hull Navy ships, as I recall him saying.
And, Eddie was a wonderful story teller as I recall.  Eddie and his wife
brought wonderful food to the old club's Christmas potlucks..good times! 

Thanks for chiming in.   -raasch

 

From: crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com
<mailto:crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> > On Behalf Of
raaschb at charter.net <mailto:raaschb at charter.net> 
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2023 6:08 PM
To: CRW-Talk at crwoodturner.com <mailto:CRW-Talk at crwoodturner.com> 
Subject: [crw-talk] Blast from da past- from earlier days.

 

Taking the liberty, at great risk to send an attachment of the One Good Turn
from deep in the recesses.  Fond memories, remembering our wonderful
forebearers, no longer with us, Brother Finbar, Eddie, Jimmy Frank, Greg
Haugan, and Ansel Heram.   

Tool day pics,  ya'll  have aged so well!    A mystery quest - find Bob R's
grinder, ifn you find it, a reward will be given- its there fer sure! What's
the finder's reward?

 

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From cswoodworking at charter.net  Mon Jun 26 09:00:38 2023
From: cswoodworking at charter.net (Jim Cox)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2023 09:00:38 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Cherry burls
Message-ID: <mailman.1.1687788051.255753.crw-talk_crwoodturner.com@crwoodturner.com>

I have a friend who has 5-7 cherry burls he would like to donate, all he ask is that you make him a burl bowl for donating them, they are ( I have not seen them) very big burls, so you are going to need a good sized lathe to turn  them.
Let me know
I will be gone soon for a trip up north fishing, but will get back to you.

Jim Cox

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From aaronagesicki at gmail.com  Mon Jun 26 10:49:37 2023
From: aaronagesicki at gmail.com (Aaron Gesicki)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2023 10:49:37 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Cherry burls
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References: <64999a27.050a0220.95ac8.a644SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
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Jim ? 
 
Thanks for sending. I?m interested. 
 
 
 
 
 
Aaron Gesicki
 
1317 Woodpark Road
Winona, MN 55987
 
507-615-0233  home
303-551-2450  cell
 
 
From: crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> On Behalf Of Jim Cox
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2023 9:01 AM
To: Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee RegionWoodturners. <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
Subject: [crw-talk] Cherry burls
 
I have a friend who has 5-7 cherry burls he would like to donate, all he ask is that you make him a burl bowl for donating them, they are ( I have not seen them) very big burls, so you are going to need a good sized lathe to turn  them.
Let me know
I will be gone soon for a trip up north fishing, but will get back to you.
 
Jim Cox
 
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>  for Windows
 
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From griff at mwt.net  Mon Jun 26 14:01:45 2023
From: griff at mwt.net (griff)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2023 14:01:45 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Blast from da past- from earlier days.
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Eddie and Bill, RIP.? John

On 6/24/23 9:50 PM, raaschb at charter.net wrote:
>
> For the newer members, the club?s large Powermatic 3520B is the 1 
> mentioned in the newsletter.? Bill Kammueller was a club member; I 
> think passed away shortly before I joined. The lathe certainly has 
> some history. Check out the plaque and sigs of visiting pros who have 
> graced our meetings over the years. ?-raasch
>
> *From:*crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> *On Behalf Of 
> *raaschb at charter.net
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 24, 2023 9:37 PM
> *To:* 'Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region 
> Woodturners.' <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>; 'Aaron Gesicki' 
> <aaronagesicki at gmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [crw-talk] Blast from da past- from earlier days.
>
> Aaron,
>
> Saw your response in da archive?.yup, Eddie Holz, aka Curly, the old 
> salt, served on minesweepers- wooden hull Navy ships, as I recall him 
> saying. ?And, Eddie was a wonderful story teller as I recall.? Eddie 
> and his wife brought wonderful food to the old club?s Christmas 
> potlucks?.good times!
>
> Thanks for chiming in.?? -raasch
>
> *From:*crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com 
> <mailto:crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com>> *On Behalf Of 
> *raaschb at charter.net <mailto:raaschb at charter.net>
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 24, 2023 6:08 PM
> *To:* CRW-Talk at crwoodturner.com <mailto:CRW-Talk at crwoodturner.com>
> *Subject:* [crw-talk] Blast from da past- from earlier days.
>
> Taking the liberty, at great risk to send an attachment of the One 
> Good Turn from deep in the recesses. ?Fond memories, remembering our 
> wonderful forebearers, no longer with us, Brother Finbar, Eddie, Jimmy 
> Frank, Greg Haugan, and Ansel Heram.
>
> Tool day pics, ?ya?ll ?have aged so well!? ??A mystery quest ? find 
> Bob R?s grinder, ifn you find it, a reward will be given- its there 
> fer sure! What?s the finder?s reward?
>
> -raasch
>
>
> _________________________________________
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From cswoodworking at charter.net  Tue Jun 27 08:39:43 2023
From: cswoodworking at charter.net (Jim Cox)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2023 08:39:43 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Cherry burls
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Thanks Aaron, in a few weeks, I can pick them up. My wife Margaret works at RTP in Winona, she is the Marketing Director for them and 20 plus other companies they have around the world. She or I can bring them to you. 
Thanks 

Jim

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Aaron Gesicki
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2023 10:50 AM
To: 'Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners.'
Subject: Re: [crw-talk] Cherry burls

Jim ? 

Thanks for sending. I?m interested. 





Aaron Gesicki

1317 Woodpark Road
Winona, MN 55987

507-615-0233  home
303-551-2450  cell


From: crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> On Behalf Of Jim Cox
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2023 9:01 AM
To: Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee RegionWoodturners. <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
Subject: [crw-talk] Cherry burls

I have a friend who has 5-7 cherry burls he would like to donate, all he ask is that you make him a burl bowl for donating them, they are ( I have not seen them) very big burls, so you are going to need a good sized lathe to turn? them.
Let me know
I will be gone soon for a trip up north fishing, but will get back to you.

Jim Cox

Sent from Mail for Windows


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From aaronagesicki at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 11:18:45 2023
From: aaronagesicki at gmail.com (Aaron Gesicki)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2023 11:18:45 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Cherry burls
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Good Morning, Jim ? 
 
Please call or email me directly [ AaronAGesicki at Gmail.com <mailto:AaronAGesicki at Gmail.com>  ] when the time is right. I can come to you or to RTP. 
 
And thanks for doing this and your prompt reply. 
 
 
Aaron Gesicki
 
 
 
From: crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> On Behalf Of Jim Cox
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 8:40 AM
To: Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee RegionWoodturners. <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com>
Subject: Re: [crw-talk] Cherry burls
 
Thanks Aaron, in a few weeks, I can pick them up. My wife Margaret works at RTP in Winona, she is the Marketing Director for them and 20 plus other companies they have around the world. She or I can bring them to you. 
Thanks 
 
Jim
 
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>  for Windows
 
From: Aaron Gesicki <mailto:aaronagesicki at gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2023 10:50 AM
To: 'Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee Region Woodturners.' <mailto:crw-talk at crwoodturner.com> 
Subject: Re: [crw-talk] Cherry burls
 
Jim ? 
 
Thanks for sending. I?m interested. 
 
 
 
 
 
Aaron Gesicki
 
1317 Woodpark Road
Winona, MN 55987
 
507-615-0233  home
303-551-2450  cell
 
 
From: crw-talk <crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com <mailto:crw-talk-bounces at crwoodturner.com> > On Behalf Of Jim Cox
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2023 9:01 AM
To: Membership mailing list for the AAW Chapter Coulee RegionWoodturners. <crw-talk at crwoodturner.com <mailto:crw-talk at crwoodturner.com> >
Subject: [crw-talk] Cherry burls
 
I have a friend who has 5-7 cherry burls he would like to donate, all he ask is that you make him a burl bowl for donating them, they are ( I have not seen them) very big burls, so you are going to need a good sized lathe to turn  them.
Let me know
I will be gone soon for a trip up north fishing, but will get back to you.
 
Jim Cox
 
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>  for Windows
 
 
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From rjpatros05 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 11:32:10 2023
From: rjpatros05 at gmail.com (Robert Patros)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2023 11:32:10 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Cherry burls
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From marine9096 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 30 09:40:26 2023
From: marine9096 at gmail.com (James Bloomer)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 09:40:26 -0500
Subject: [crw-talk] Club build/organization time
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I was planning on being at the High school at 0900 on Sat Jul 8 to organise
the cage some and finish assembling the tvs to their new stands. Would
welcome any help with the process

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James A. Bloomer
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From mogoldfish at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 30 16:33:46 2023
From: mogoldfish at yahoo.com (Kristine Clough)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 21:33:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [crw-talk] Club build/organization time
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I didn't get a chance to get wheels, but the thread size is 1/2 - 13 tpi.
Kris

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  On Fri, Jun 30, 2023 at 9:41 AM, James Bloomer<marine9096 at gmail.com> wrote:   I was planning on being at the High school at 0900 on Sat Jul 8 to organise the cage some and finish assembling the tvs to their new stands. Would welcome any help with the process

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